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[Pedalman]

The vaccine doesn't stop you getting CV, and passing it on.

So, as restrictions about meeting other people get lifted the virus will spread through EVERYONE.

That's ok if everyone has had the vaccine, and it's 100 percent effective. Ooops.

So I think there will be a fair few at risk people that because it's not 100 percent are still going to suffer. And then the lot who won't have the vaccine thinking they are not at risk, some will be without knowing it.

Travel: It won't matter a hoot about whether you've had the vaccine or not, you could still be a risk to the country you're entering so unless they've also vaccinated eveyone they'll probably still have restrictions like quarantine in place that you'll have to follow.

I know this seems a bit of a negative post but:

I'd like to have my thinking changed if someone can show me why any of that is wrong.

I like to just know where I am rather than looking forward to that Easter trip to France - it isn't going to happen...

If anyone reading, or people they know, thinks they don't need the vaccine because they probably won't get it. You/they WILL catch CV. Perhaps my post will sway you.

Discuss lol.

The people who refuse the vaccine will make a seriously wrong survival decision. If they have a bad reaction to the covid19 virus, within 28 days they could be wild camping in the sky. It's their choice.

 

[Deleted member 80299]

The vaccine doesn't stop you getting CV, and passing it on.

So, as restrictions about meeting other people get lifted the virus will spread through EVERYONE.

That's ok if everyone has had the vaccine, and it's 100 percent effective. Ooops.

So I think there will be a fair few at risk people that because it's not 100 percent are still going to suffer. And then the lot who won't have the vaccine thinking they are not at risk, some will be without knowing it.

Travel: It won't matter a hoot about whether you've had the vaccine or not, you could still be a risk to the country you're entering so unless they've also vaccinated eveyone they'll probably still have restrictions like quarantine in place that you'll have to follow.

I know this seems a bit of a negative post but:

I'd like to have my thinking changed if someone can show me why any of that is wrong.

I like to just know where I am rather than looking forward to that Easter trip to France - it isn't going to happen...

If anyone reading, or people they know, thinks they don't need the vaccine because they probably won't get it. You/they WILL catch CV. Perhaps my post will sway you.

Discuss lol.

There is not a single drop of scientific proof in this opinion, it is based entirely on social media here say. This is the sort of ignorant gossip that gets people killed. What would be the point of having a vaccination if it didn't stop replication of the virus within the human body? And if it can't replicate then how would the body be able to build up a viral load that would make the person contagious? There has to be a substantial amount of virus expelled into the atmosphere in order for it to spread. If this wasn't true then we would all be dead by now.

 

[st3v3]

There is not a single drop of scientific proof in this opinion, it is based entirely on social media here say.

I'm not one for facebook etc. Jon.

Hopefully a .gov source is good enough for you?

Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk.

From What to expect after your COVID-19 vaccination - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

This is the sort of ignorant gossip that gets people killed. What would be the point of having a vaccination if it didn't stop replication of the virus within the human body?

The point is because the vaccine has been shown to reduce the effects CV has on you.

I don't think you've really read my post, I'm in favour of having the vaccine.

 

[REC]

Astor zenica just produced research which shows 60% less likely to pass covid on to others. Looks good, hopefully the other ones will be able to show figures soon.

 

[antiquesam]

'witzend' was proposing discrimination for emergency treatment, no obese person or smoker is denied emergency treatment.

When you say emergency

I'm not one for facebook etc. Jon.

Hopefully a .gov source is good enough for you?



From What to expect after your COVID-19 vaccination - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)



The point is because the vaccine has been shown to reduce the effects CV has on you.

I don't think you've really read my post, I'm in favour of having the vaccine.

I'm confused. You started your earlier post by stating that the vaccine won't stop you getting Covid or passing it on and then quote a government website that states that they do not yet know whether the vaccine will stop you getting it or passing it on.
One of those statements is incorrect. Is it yours or the government's?

 

[st3v3]

I'm confused. You started your earlier post by stating that the vaccine won't stop you getting Covid or passing it on and then quote a government website that states that they do not yet know whether the vaccine will stop you getting it or passing it on.
One of those statements is incorrect. Is it yours or the government's?

For some time the vaccine makers have been saying they don't know, and then moved on to partial reduction. The Gov are waiting it out and effectively telling people they still need to isolate,SD, mask That's the right thing for them to publish until they know for sure otherwise.

 

[trevskoda]

Let's say your new box gets a short inside it between live and neutral. How much current will flow through your 6mm cables?

It will blow the main fuse in an instant, I get where you are coming from but I have ask at my electric wholesalers and they said its ok, and the trip will fire if it shorts which I dought very much as I have used grommets at point of entry, when I install my new main unit it will have 100ah 10mm or higher cables

 

[campervanannie]

Am I in some sort of twilight zone one minute your vaccines and te next van electrics, oh I’m off for a lie down.

 

[antiquesam]

For some time the vaccine makers have been saying they don't know, and then moved on to partial reduction. The Gov are waiting it out and effectively telling people they still need to isolate,SD, mask That's the right thing for them to publish until they know for sure otherwise.

I agree but you are more certain you are definite in the statement that it won't stop you getting the virus or passing it on. You are ahead of the science, or have more knowledge than the government.
I'm sorry to be pedantic but it is this sort of thing that is creating confusion in people's minds.

 

[st3v3]

I'm sorry to be pedantic but it is this sort of thing that is creating confusion in people's minds.

Isn't it better to be confused in the direction of my OP than all of the people who think they can ignore all of the precautions because they've been vaccinated?

And the things that develop like witch hunts of care home staff who don't take the vaccine where there is a possibility they can still pass it on anyway? I'm pretty sure it's public pressure on that which has resulted on healthy care staff being vaccinated ahead of CEV people.

And police....

Surrey Police Federation calls for police officers to be added to the Covid vaccine priority list (polfed.org)

..... add police officers to the priority Covid-19 vaccination list to ensure officers can keep themselves, their families and the public safe.

Edit to add:

Are we OK with the Lancet as a source?

the results nonetheless provide some hope that COVID-19 vaccines might be able to interrupt some asymptomatic transmission

SOME is the only thing any of the research I've seen, it's never even close to being the positive.

Sauce: Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine efficacy - The Lancet

 

[trevskoda]

Isn't it better to be confused in the direction of my OP than all of the people who think they can ignore all of the precautions because they've been vaccinated?

And the things that develop like witch hunts of care home staff who don't take the vaccine where there is a possibility they can still pass it on anyway? I'm pretty sure it's public pressure on that which has resulted on healthy care staff being vaccinated ahead of CEV people.

And police....

Surrey Police Federation calls for police officers to be added to the Covid vaccine priority list (polfed.org)

Well, traffic wardens would be last on my list to get a prick as most are already.

 

[antiquesam]

Of course we should be cautious, but we should also be precise in what we say. As of today we don't know whether the vaccine stops you catching or passing on the virus. To say otherwise is wrong. By all means say that we should continue to follow the rules because we don't know but we shouldn't state something that isn't fact. It's as dangerous as the the other lot with the stories about chips and pork in the vaccine.

 

[st3v3]

Of course we should be cautious, but we should also be precise in what we say. As of today we don't know whether the vaccine stops you catching or passing on the virus. To say otherwise is wrong. By all means say that we should continue to follow the rules because we don't know but we shouldn't state something that isn't fact. It's as dangerous as the the other lot with the stories about chips and pork in the vaccine.

Would you have me change it to "At the time of writing, no-one is suggesting the vaccine will 100% stop you passing CV on"?

That would be factually correct wouldn't it?


And actually wouldn't change the tone or message of the post

 

[st3v3]

Did you know that the " College of Police" is a website? and not an official organisation that governs the police? It's time the Home Office took control!

What? The College don't profess to govern the police.

The purpose of the College is to provide those working in policing with the skills and knowledge necessary to prevent crime, protect the public, and secure public trust.

About us | College of Policing

You want the IPCC Independent Police Complaints Commission - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) They do govern the police.

 

[Deleted member 80299]

Of course we should be cautious, but we should also be precise in what we say. As of today we don't know whether the vaccine stops you catching or passing on the virus. To say otherwise is wrong. By all means say that we should continue to follow the rules because we don't know but we shouldn't state something that isn't fact. It's as dangerous as the the other lot with the stories about chips and pork in the vaccine.

Please inform me of another vaccine that enables you to pass on the disease whilst protecting the vaccinated body. It doesn't happen and that isn't how they work. There are some individuals who are naturally immune and can carry/infect others but they are very rare, remember your history, there was a lady called Plague Mary who lived from 1869-1938 who infected at least 53 people with Typhoid without having any symptoms herself. She was forcibly incarcerated twice by the authorities.

 

[st3v3]

Please inform me of another vaccine that enables you to pass on the disease whilst protecting the vaccinated body.

Why don't you post a link to any of the CV vaccine manufacturers where they say their product WILL stop the transmission of the virus?

 

[st3v3]

on Youtube.

Ah, YouTube, that well know source of all truth and fact.

No comment on the college?

 

[Deleted member 80299]

Why don't you post a link to any of the CV vaccine manufacturers where they say their product WILL stop the transmission of the virus?

Completely unnecessary! It is common knowledge in the world of biology that vaccines work by stopping/blocking the invading virus from reproducing within the human body thus not allowing a viral load to be generated to make an individual contagious!

 

[mark61]

Why don't you post a link to any of the CV vaccine manufacturers where they say their product WILL stop the transmission of the virus?

That will be interesting to see. I can't even find evidence of the 60% less likely posted by REC. Not saying it's not true, I haven't found it yet, not even on AZ's site.

 

[mark61]

Completely unnecessary! It is common knowledge in the world of biology that vaccines work by stopping/blocking the invading virus from reproducing within the human body thus not allowing a viral load to be generated to make an individual contagious!

That is not what is being reported.