where is the schengen

[rugbyken]

just found this map might help when looking to circumvent the 90 days

 

[antiquesam]

I'm not sure how it helps particularly. Are you suggesting that someone spends 90 days in a Schengen area then 90 days in Romania before doing another 90 days in France?. It would surely only work if you had documentary evidence that you'd left the area.

 

[rugbyken]

there are checks at all external borders of the shengen but receipts are documentary proof fuel etc i think i would plan on nipping over to morocco if i haven’t got a dog from spain etc but as you say 90 in 90 out is all that’s needed to comply

 

[barryd]

We tend to (or used to I should say) do summer trips for 4-6 months. The best way I figured out of doing it would be say two months in France, germany, Switzerland (western Europe) then work your way across to Croatia, maybe back end when its ACSII Season (wilding not so easy) for perhaps five or six weeks then have your last month touring back towards the UK. Nothing else appealed or was handy enough.

Ive not been to Croatia but I believe they have controlled borders so you could insist on a stamp or proof of entry and exit so should they give you a pull at the French border when you go home you can prove you left Schengen.

 

[jagmanx]

For winter months I think only Morocco and Southern Turkey are warm enough.
For spring summer autumn judicious travelling in The Balkansetc could work.
Probably best to spend say 45 days ONLY in schengen on your way out..If you are out of Schengen for a long period then extra time available when you re-enter.
Of couse you could also Go North for 45 days and into Russia

 

[QFour]

Looks like Croatia is going to be the place to go for the summer if you want to go for longer than 90 days.

 

[antiquesam]

It all sounds a bit like doing something because you can rather than because you want to. If you like Spain or Portugal, because of the atmosphere and weather, why would you want to tour western Europe and the former Eastern Bloc rather than stick to the 90 days?

 

[witzend]

There was talk of Spain / Portugal relaxing the 90 day rule also France seeing as how they are allowed longer in UK has there been any developments with this ?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

There was talk of Spain / Portugal relaxing the 90 day rule also France seeing as how they are allowed longer in UK has there been any developments with this ?

Think we will just have to wait and see how things pan out when the dust of the pandemic and the B word has settled a bit.

 

[antiquesam]

I don't think individual choice by countries is permitted. "One for all and all for one" and all that.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I don't think individual choice by countries is permitted. "One for all and all for one" and all that.

... but now we're the 4th musketeer in reverse

 

[John H]

There was talk of Spain / Portugal relaxing the 90 day rule also France seeing as how they are allowed longer in UK has there been any developments with this ?

I don't know where that "talk" came from but it was wrong because the only way that any Schengen member state could go its own way would be if they left Schengen and there is no way that any of them are going to do that - especially Spain and Portugal.

 

[Silver sprinter]

I think it could be a great time to visit Trev, and his beautiful country at a snail pace, taking all the sites and fresh air in, be it the wild atlantic way,irelands ancient east, or just making it up as you go, forget the ferry price, and have a chilled adventure, I'm sure Trev will be along soon,

 

[rugbyken]

portugal apparently trying to make it 6months in 12 also issuing residenscia on campsite addresses , the problem is that though we see it as a problem the 90 day limit will affect less than 5% of our population ex pats & motorhomers only way it would get revised is if the iberian countries miss the revenue

 

[John H]

portugal apparently trying to make it 6months in 12 also issuing residenscia on campsite addresses , the problem is that though we see it as a problem the 90 day limit will affect less than 5% of our population ex pats & motorhomers only way it would get revised is if the iberian countries miss the revenue

I can't comment specifically on Portugal but as far as Spain is concerned, we have covered this many times - getting an extension visa is both difficult and expensive and you have to have an acceptable reason. Tourism is not regarded as an acceptable reason. All I can say about Portugal is that an extension necessitates an application for residence and residence has tax and other financial implications.

 

[RoaminRog]

It seem that your map maybe slightly wrong Ken.
It makes no mention of the fact that Andorra is neither in the EU or the Schengen Area.

 

[antiquesam]

portugal apparently trying to make it 6months in 12 also issuing residenscia on campsite addresses , the problem is that though we see it as a problem the 90 day limit will affect less than 5% of our population ex pats & motorhomers only way it would get revised is if the iberian countries miss the revenue

Surely they would need to get the agreement of all the other countries. If you return to the UK in your van via France or Spain how would you prove that you had only visited Portugal and not meandered around Europe?

 

[John H]

Surely they would need to get the agreement of all the other countries. If you return to the UK in your van via France or Spain how would you prove that you had only visited Portugal and not meandered around Europe?

I agree. All member states have the ability to grant extensions to the Schengen 90 day visa but they are usually very specific and difficult to get. If any one country attempted to make it easy to get an extension then that would probably be viewed by Schengen as a device to get around the 90 day rule and be vetoed.

 

[barryd]

It all sounds a bit like doing something because you can rather than because you want to. If you like Spain or Portugal, because of the atmosphere and weather, why would you want to tour western Europe and the former Eastern Bloc rather than stick to the 90 days?

The 90 days rule is going to be a complete PIA for those who over winter in Spain and a complete PIA for people like me who do long trips over summer. Finding a way around that is important for many. I would say as far as Spain and Portugal is concerned you are going to be pretty stuffed unless you like Morocco. The Croatia thing might work for us but I would rather just be able to tour where I like for as long as I like but sadly for now at least that boat has sailed.

 

[antiquesam]

The number of UK subjects that have the time and wherewithal to stay out of the country for more 90 days is a tiny minority and are unlikely to have enough clout to get anywhere on this unless they include some very influential people.