Wild camping is legal

What an intriguing and confusing thread!
Thank you all, but I must admit that I'm left with more questions than answers. :)

First, here's my guess at an answer:
Smaug and wills asked why do these threads usually degenerate into a bit of a pantomime. My guess is that folk love a bit of CONFLICT. 'Tis probably on the first page of the script-writer's handbook, imo: generate conflict.

Now for a few genuine questions. I tend to learn a lot by asking folk who know their subjects. I do this because I found it a good way to find out things, so

For David:

a) Which states in the USA follow the laws you mentioned, please? Just that I never saw it anywhere I went.

b) Regarding the clever logic while driving that you tell us you have and use, but that many apparently lack:
may I ask if this was "figured out" by you good self following "trial and error", or does it result from your having had good lessons, please?

Finally for tonight, I'll just mention that we were taught to " always leave the horse looking for home". I think this was to facilitate a speedy getaway, but because rope is fairly flexible a horse can be quickly pointed left or right with equal ease, imo.
There again, a horse has to be "reversed" between the shafts of a cart, so I'm not sure where that leaves us. :)
I had thought that this sort of preparedness for the off when parking up was listed in the manual for "wildcampers" too, but perhaps I'm confusing them with "stealth-mode" campers? I'm not sure.

Happy manoeuvres, everybody!:)

sean rua.
 
On the subject of Fork Lift trucks, they often have to be driven in reverse as much as forwards. It is the rule when the load obscures the view. The driver has to be skilful to drive backwards (with rear wheel steer) and also avoid his load hitting any objects, often in very tight situations.

maingate - Fork Lift licence holder. :drive:
 
Well I normally just read these type of debates (arguments) with quiet amusement and never really want to take sides, but this one I simply have to comment on.

There is no argument that 80% of drivers drive into parking spaces, but that's only because 80% of drivers can't reverse properly. However, you can't blame people for that - it's the system. People, like water will take the path of least resistance and 'go with the flow' because they're 'programmed' into believing it's easier.

I am nearly always impressed when I see someone reversing into a parking space. Occasionally, someone screws it up and needs a quick adjustment to get it straight, but mostly they don't. On the other hand the majority of people that drive in have to shuffle backwards and forwards before they get it straight because the geometry is all wrong.

Reversing out into the flow of traffic whether it's shopping trolleys, people or vehicles is and has been proved dangerous time and again.

From the Bristol IAM website:

When Driving Backwards Is Best - Bristol Advanced Motorists
 
I haven't been rude at all, I'm not the one calling others a fool or a buffoon simply because they choose to park in a different way to me.

I asked you to clarify your original statement regarding reverse parking, you have done that. I disagree.

I asked you for a link to back up your statement that reverse parking is illegal in many places in the US, you were unable to do so.
 
Hi David not contributed to this thread as yet but reading the posts i can see your point of view on this, it does not mean i agree with all you say but you will already know that, and don't worry as a dyslexic person myself and for the record not that many people know about it spell checker etc has helped over the years, my own family are not even aware of it it was only recently that a teacher i know kind of diagnosed it for me through a series of test not that it bothers or affected me in any way after all its just a label with little meaning me in day to day life. I def love open debate and don't wont be treated with kid gloves and thankfully i don't and would never work for the public sector. I feel so much more at home in the Voluntary and Community Sector, and i mean the voluntary sector not the government subside version of it.

My grammar errors are more to do with my laziness on the keyboard more than anything else lol

Keep your posts coming David i do enjoy your train of thought on things

Regards lee
 
I must be at least part buffoon as I prefer to reverse into spaces unless i'm getting more than a couple of bags. the reason for this is clear to me,firstly i'm very good at reversing,often causing spontaneous applause from onlookers,but mainly because there is a breed of small old ladies who instinctively know where your blind spot is,and get into it just as you decide it's clear to pull out.that's when they pop into view, giving you a fright.they don't look your way,pretending they haven't noticed their narrow escape. so i'll carry on with my wrong way
 
SOME of the reasons why I generally reverse in are:

As N.Brown says, the blind spots that you have if you have to reverse out with cars parked on either side of you; apart from the little old ladies, stray shopping trolleys, and the odd passing car that isn't paying attention, young children may be running, playing, or even just walking where you can't see them. (yes, they should be supervised, but they often aren't). You don't have blind spots as you reverse in, because the whole of your manoeuvring area should be in clear view. When you drive out forwards you have greater visibility of this "danger area", which makes it safer.

Thinking ahead, you'll know that conditions may have changed when you come back to your car; other cars may have arrived and parked awkwardly, restricting the available space or angles in which you can manoeuvre easily and safely. Weather conditions may have changed, and your screens may be misted or even frozen up, or there could be a torrential downpour, reducing visibility. (Not all drivers allow time for clearing their screens, so may be tempted to move off without good all-round vision). In poor weather, pedestrians may be more focused on rushing back to their cars, or to shelter, than on taking notice of your car's movements. All of these circumstances would make it much easier and safer to drive out forwards, rather than reverse out of the space.

If you are in a hurry, or need to make a quick getaway, it is much more straightforward to drive out forwards quickly and easily, and you are less likely to make mistakes or have a collision than if you reversed out in a hurry.

In general, because of it's front-wheel steering, it's easier for a competent driver to park a car correctly by reversing into any confined space.

Many drivers who drive forwards into a parking space seem to just "abandon" their car, roughly within the parking space (no names mentioned!:)), with little or no thought about possible changed conditions or circumstances when they come back to it.

PS. I never have trouble with loading my shopping into the boot/hatch, even if backed near to a wall. I just "park" the shopping trolley at the side or front of my car, and transfer the shopping in from the side.
 
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scampa said:
SOME of the reasons why I generally reverse in are:

As N.Brown says, the blind spots that you have if you have to reverse out with cars parked on either side of you; apart from the little old ladies, stray shopping trolleys, and the odd passing car that isn't paying attention, young children may be running, playing, or even just walking where you can't see them. (yes, they should be supervised, but they often aren't). You don't have blind spots as you reverse in, because the whole of your manoeuvring area should be in clear view. When you drive out forwards you have greater visibility of this "danger area", which makes it safer.

Thinking ahead, you'll know that conditions may have changed when you come back to your car; other cars may have arrived and parked awkwardly, restricting the available space or angles in which you can manoeuvre easily and safely. Weather conditions may have changed, and your screens may be misted or even frozen up, or there could be a torrential downpour, reducing visibility. (Not all drivers allow time for clearing their screens, so may be tempted to move off without good all-round vision). In poor weather, pedestrians may be more focused on rushing back to their cars, or to shelter, than on taking notice of your car's movements. All of these circumstances would make it much easier and safer to drive out forwards, rather than reverse out of the space.

If you are in a hurry, or need to make a quick getaway, it is much more straightforward to drive out forwards quickly and easily, and you are less likely to make mistakes or have a collision than if you reversed out in a hurry.

In general, because of it's front-wheel steering, it's easier for a competent driver to park correctly by reversing into any confined space.

Many drivers who drive forwards into a parking space seem to just "abandon" their car, roughly within the parking space (no names mentioned!:)), with little or no thought about possible changed conditions or circumstances when they come back to it.
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good points made here scampa
 
I'm sorry you feel "bullied" David, but perhaps you now know how many people feel on reading your scything attacks on their posts. You are getting back a little of what you so frequently choose to hand out, & it is not pleasant is it?

Please take that on board next time you feel a "smart put down" will make you look good, they don't they make you look aggressive. Then we can all be friends again.
 
I drive in.

There is a good chance that the car in front of me will have gone when I come out and I can drive out.

No reversing required some of the time.

If you lot were as intelligent and as good a driver as me, you would have known that. :p
I am very good looking as well. :rabbit:
 
maingate said:
I drive in.

There is a good chance that the car in front of me will have gone when I come out and I can drive out.

No reversing required some of the time.

If you lot were as intelligent and as good a driver as me, you would have known that. :p
I am very good looking as well. :rabbit:
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Yeah - yeah....

But in reality you just lean your carrier-bike against a lamp-post, don't you?!! :)
 
Exactly what you did when you replied to my advanced riding point, I would suggest.
 
Surely to have experience of writing risk assessments, one would have to be qualified?? :)
 
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