Wild camping is legal

but is it largely true .?
i dont agree with that statement .
i think most dont actually acknowledge the quieter rider .they go past unnoticed . but a loud fast bike is seen every time . so the thought is they all ride like that.
i for one have a 1500cc bike thats so quiet i could ride right up to folk and they dont know i,m there .
i dont believe loud pipes save lives ,but only annoy people.
there are sensible horse riders yet some not so. riding two three abreast round here .
i also give wide berth and slowly drive by.
after all i would get the blame if anything happened .
unfortunately it seems to me horse riders dont look around dont look behind . ,there used to be that horses rode into traffic as that changed now?
it should help takr the suprise away .
it as come across as anti boke .
should have been anti tipping water in a village .or why didnt the shopkeeper say something at the time to the culprit.
 
Whatever.

I like dogs, bikes (pedal & vroom), cars, horses, boats (sail & motor, kayaks & canoes), Campers, caravans, friendly people, and I don't see the need for infighting between any of them.
 
rach82 said:
Most - yes I am saying MOST - motrobike riders do this as a sport, as a hobby (i.e this is not there everyday transport) - and they are the ones who are driving 100mph down the roads causing accidents - usually to themselves! How many motorbikers have died on the road compered to horse riders in the last year????
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Care to clarify how you worked that out?

I've often ridden motorcycles - I've ridden them a hell of a lot more for utilitarian reasons than others. And the same said for a lot of people I know that ride.
Those that ride purely for leisure don't tend to take up a massive amount of the road network mile-hours.

Focusing on speed (done on both sides here) is one of the things those that cause accidents do, to my mind.
I've ridden at 100mph with a marked cop bike just behind me 'out for a ride' (bike safe day) and the cop was happy with the speed as it was safe to do so.
In other conditions 50mph might be too fast for a section of NSL dual carriageway.

I'd prefer to focus on safety, not one fairly small factor.

I believe that as an activity, horse riding and motorcycling a fairly similar - horse riding may actually be more 'dangerous'.

Also, the vast majority of the time, the horse rider is the one in most danger and there's relatively little danger to others - certainly when compared to driving a car or bigger, say.

As for "it's the other people" - well, the trick is to learn to not get involved in their problems.

In my experience, people in motorhomes, caravans and those 'wild camping' (apart from those on bikes) tend to hold up other traffic - I had a lovely queue behind my motorhome (or should that be campervan, sorry?) the other day. And why I driving it on the roads? Why to go to two festivals and visit family. Purely 'leisure' purposes, so reckon they should be banned too.

And cycles, of course - most cycling is done just for leisure.

I have no problem with others using the road that may have 'special requirements'.
 
About a quarter of the motorcyclists were killed by highly irresponsible stationary objects, such as trees. :(
 
scampa said:
I found this on youtube:

What's more dangerous: motorcycles or horses? - YouTube

Bear in mind that it's from the USA, where, like France, they all ride on the wrong side of the road anyway, which must only add to the danger! :danger::)
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Also, bear in mind it's from youtube, which means it should immediately be viewed as likely to be incorrect unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise.

A quick google got me:
"Over 100 deaths per year are estimated to result from equestrian related activities, with 10-20 times as many head injuries occurring for each fatality."

2 people dying for all of the USA sounds very low for something with a wide variety of intrinsic dangers.
 
i,m lucky my neighbour brings me lots of fresh fish as he works at sea on a mussel farm .but shame he cant bring me nice horse steaks . mind that david could bring me some next time he pops over from france .thats one of the nice things about france is they realise horse is for food not as a pet.
 
But my comment was perfectly valid; a quarter of those motorcyclists were killed by colliding with stationary objects. This should say something about their abilities to ride safely, which includes anticipating road conditions and the many other hazards to be encountered on the roads.

As I said previously (on another thread) I'm not "anti" motorcyclists, or any other group of road user, but so long as one group continues to concentrate on putting the blame on other groups, things will not improve for anyone. It would be much more productive if any particular group acknowledged their "weaker" members, and encouraged them to be more sensible. ("Sensible" doesn't have to mean "boring" or "slow", but could simply be a case of learning better driving/riding techniques).

BTW, thinking back, I've suffered more serious injuries by falling off horses than I have by falling off my motorbikes. Maybe I should "change sides" in that debate?!! :)
 
vwalan said:
i,m lucky my neighbour brings me lots of fresh fish as he works at sea on a mussel farm .but shame he cant bring me nice horse steaks . mind that david could bring me some next time he pops over from france .thats one of the nice things about france is they realise horse is for food not as a pet.
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Surely you wouldn't eat just any old French nag? I would insist on a British Thoroughbred myself!

And would you class racehorses as "fast-food"? :)
 
i would eat a british nag . but as we dont its not available . have #eat it though i used to work in a slaughter house .we didnt kill horses but the knackers yard up the road did .
often buy it when in france its nice .eat camel when in maroc . P3080246_edited.jpgP3080246.jpg
there they hang the head of what ever meat they are selling . good innit.
 
vwalan said:
i would eat a british nag . but as we dont its not available . have #eat it though i used to work in a slaughter house .we didnt kill horses but the knackers yard up the road did .
often buy it when in france its nice .eat camel when in maroc .View attachment 15394View attachment 15395
there they hang the head of what ever meat they are selling . good innit.
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At least their you will know whats in your lasagna not like here. :tongue::scared:
 
What an odd perception. Were you just trying to generate discussion, or do you really believe what you wrote is the only way to behave?

As you said, there are some benefits to going bow first into a supermarket slot - in a car the boot is easily accessible for loading the shopping, but the big problem is reversing out into passing vehicles that are focussed on an empty slot down the way. The reversing driver does not have a clear view of what is coming. That is why the Highway Code (remember that?) says you should not reverse out of a minor road onto a major one. I accept that the speed differentials are not so great, but the principals about visibility & safety remain.

TBH it is only one extra manoeuvre to reverse in at most, because it is often impossible to get into a space on a single lock due to the narrow lanes & slots, so you get double shuffles anyway. Most people decide as they see fit at the time, that seems reasonable to me.
 
some have problems . the minority see the problem from afar and either bypass the problem or work round it . the majority hit it straight on .then try and solve it .avoidance is far easier .
 
Do some 'advanced riding' training, or get a book etc.
A lot of it deals with this exact topic - how to make sure other people's incompetence isn't your problem.
Sure, you might not be able to tell if someone will do something stupid, but the idea is that you've already planned to avoid them if they do.

Also, if there's limited space, it's often easier to manoeuvre a car into a parking space backwards - thus fork lifts and the like are generally rear-wheel steering.
 
A link supporting this statement please.

I am happy to park either way, but there are only very few situations where I will choose to drive in. My preference is to reverse in, for many reasons.
 
we arent in the usa anyway . plus we dont have to follow them . as a truck driver i say if you cant reverse in somewhere then dont drive in . its usually harder to reverse out than drive in . others vehicles etc get in the way. plus you almost always have to reverse onto a loading bay . not always though with curtain sides and slide sides it is changing .have been to drive through loading bays .
 
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Similar to the drivers who happen to notice they are doing well over the speed limit; poor concentration is another major factor.
 
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