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why are most motorhomes built on fiats???
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I think you will find the reasons are several.
1) on Newer homes Fiat offer a chassis designed for motorhome conversion.
2) They are a massive organisation, and it could be argued that they pull the strings in the seval factory which produces Fiat Citroen and Peugeout derivatives.
3) And more salient they offer huge discounts to the converters, They supply chassis cabs and free stocking plans, this enables the converter to do the conversion whilst not having to outlay for the vehicle. An important consideration in respect of cash flow working capital etc.
TBH I think there are 101 arguments that other products are better built etc etc, the fact is other manufacturers aren't prepared to be as aggressive in the marketplace as Fiat.
Channa
1) on Newer homes Fiat offer a chassis designed for motorhome conversion.
2) They are a massive organisation, and it could be argued that they pull the strings in the seval factory which produces Fiat Citroen and Peugeout derivatives.
3) And more salient they offer huge discounts to the converters, They supply chassis cabs and free stocking plans, this enables the converter to do the conversion whilst not having to outlay for the vehicle. An important consideration in respect of cash flow working capital etc.
TBH I think there are 101 arguments that other products are better built etc etc, the fact is other manufacturers aren't prepared to be as aggressive in the marketplace as Fiat.
Channa
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I thought FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tomorrow
I thought FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tomorrow
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Fiat even produce a brochure aimed at wooing converters to buy their vehicle:
http://www.fiatprofessional.co.uk/LCV_UK/uploads/1006/1074088304/20071025/DUCATO_Motorhome16p_UK.pdf
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(Edit: Windscreen rust traps and dodgy reverse gear conveniently not mentioned )
http://www.fiatprofessional.co.uk/LCV_UK/uploads/1006/1074088304/20071025/DUCATO_Motorhome16p_UK.pdf
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(Edit: Windscreen rust traps and dodgy reverse gear conveniently not mentioned
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fiat do seem the most popular.
when we were looking for ours i kept shying away from fiat lets face it fiat did not have a good name especially the cars but i was assured by several heavy goods mechanics including our son who is one that the fiat heavy diesals were good.
you have more of a selection on fiat so we ended up with one.
but still keeping my fingers crossed.
tony
when we were looking for ours i kept shying away from fiat lets face it fiat did not have a good name especially the cars but i was assured by several heavy goods mechanics including our son who is one that the fiat heavy diesals were good.
you have more of a selection on fiat so we ended up with one.
but still keeping my fingers crossed.
tony
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I thought FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tomorrow
Fookin Idiots At Turin.....is the alternative
Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Torino. Is what it really means, Italian cars made in Turin being the translation ...Not too exciting is it ??
my observations are as a former employee of Fiat Auto UK.
Channa
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Arguments for and against Fiat/Puegeot, but what Firefox says above reference windscreens and water ingress/ engine cover/ reverse gear problems, I have had my share of problems with our Peugeot in that respect and have been involved in many conversations/forums on the subject, and Puegeot customer services.
I believe that Peugeot left Fiat standing at the start gate when it came to repairs. Infact not sure if Fiat have admitted it yet, not been involved for a few months, since ours got repaired.
As for the chassis I believe Fiat and Puegeot are the same, unless they have an Alco chassis.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
regards,
Bill.
I believe that Peugeot left Fiat standing at the start gate when it came to repairs. Infact not sure if Fiat have admitted it yet, not been involved for a few months, since ours got repaired.
As for the chassis I believe Fiat and Puegeot are the same, unless they have an Alco chassis.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
regards,
Bill.
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TBH I left their employ years ago, so the current problems, I see has you do i.e from an external customers viewpoint.
FWIW I have empathy with the dealer network, they are the final interface between product and the customer. Very difficult to appease people when your 'partner'/supplier has it's head tucked up in the proverbial.
Channa
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Hi Tony,
both Fiat and Peugeot can have the Alco chassis fitted after they come out of the respective factory.
I found a difference driving mine, better road holding for one thing, I'm sure you agree.
regards,
Bill.
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But you dont understand Chana,as it is your responsability,and as a former employee you should now be obligated to sort this mess out.Get your spanners and screwdrivers out we are all coming around to your motorhome with a big stick a list of complaints some very angry faces and AJ!
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But you dont understand Chana,as it is your responsability,and as a former employee you should now be obligated to sort this mess out.Get your spanners and screwdrivers out we are all coming around to your motorhome with a big stick a list of complaints some very angry faces and AJ!
Quite right channa could be a shareholder
regards,
Bill.
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But you dont understand Chana,as it is your responsability,and as a former employee you should now be obligated to sort this mess out.Get your spanners and screwdrivers out we are all coming around to your motorhome with a big stick a list of complaints some very angry faces and AJ!
Well I better dig out the shirt and tie then
My involvement never involved swarfega, More Sales and Marketing.
FWIW from what I have read re the current issues, This isnt the Fiat I worked for, Post Mirafiori and the rust bucket label were our brief.
I have to say if Fiat are burying their collective heads, I find that disappointing and insulting considering the work we invested to promote a brand that encouraged loyalty and customer retention.
But thats the nature of business.
Channa
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It's always the same story with the big boy's, people work bloody hard for them on the shop floor, sales etc, then the company doesn't give a dam about the effects on peoples lives during after sales.
Take a look at Bosch in South Wales, helped by the government to set up, then, bang, the bubble burst and hundreds out of work.
Was it £20million? they should be made to pay it back.
Going a little off thread, sorry.
Take a look at Bosch in South Wales, helped by the government to set up, then, bang, the bubble burst and hundreds out of work.
Was it £20million? they should be made to pay it back.
Going a little off thread, sorry.
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It's always the same story with the big boy's, people work bloody hard for them on the shop floor, sales etc, then the company doesn't give a dam about the effects on peoples lives during after sales.
Take a look at Bosch in South Wales, helped by the government to set up, then, bang, the bubble burst and hundreds out of work.
Was it £20million? they should be made to pay it back.
Going a little off thread, sorry.
Dont worry I am a master of going OT.
I agree ,loyalty seems to be all one way traffic.
The daft thing is when i worked for Fiat, there was a pre occupation with the 'rust' label.
I remember we recalled literally thousands of Fiat Uno's and replaced tailgates FOC. Body shops had literally dozens of tailgates in their skips, and probably 70 percent of which there was no defect such was the paranoia being my point.
I have worked for other manufacturers including perceived prestige and I can say non would have reacted in the positive way that Fiat did.
Fiat have a relatively small market share in the Uk always a bewildering thought to the taskmasters in Turin....In fact Peter Quaglia the MD in my time once commented that if you were a bad boy Fiat gave you a small African country or the UK to manage.
as pennance. He was on what they call a 'Torino' contract, they own you but they look after you. private education for the kids , healthcare etc etc .
Mid 80's Fiat Group SPA contributed 15 percent of the Italian GDP ...that is impressive.No British comes anywhere near.
Companies that you might not know are part and parcel of the empire.
Ferrari
Allis Chalmers ( earth moving machinery)
Autobianchi
Magnetti Marelli
Weber carburettors
Pirelli Tyres
Laverda ( agricultural)
Lancia
Telettra
La Stampa (newspaper )
Juventus ..football club
I am getting all dewey eyed
Has I mentioned earlier very saddening if as it seems they have lost their way.
Channa
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I've had B694 and S820 Hymers both weighing around 5 tonne and the Fiat was more economical by at least 4 mpg over the Merc, nearer to 6mpg on motorways, thats a lot of fuel over the life of a truck, I like em!
Pioneer
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Don't know what gearbox you have, but our 6 speed 2.2 multijet is very nippy.
It is also fitted with a lower gear ratio box due to the gearbox change done last year by customer services, it now gives me 30-36mpg depending how it's driven, and the outside temperature. Cruise all day on the Motorway at 70m/hr.
Yep, I like it.
regards,
Bill.
l77 tuf
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i think is because they carnt sell them as workhorses like vans (or dont sell a lot of them) as once said to me motorhomes dont move far or dont do many miles (salesman talk) thats why there fiat i guess
the clutch judder says it all brand new vans even have it and thats with no weight in the back
the clutch judder says it all brand new vans even have it and thats with no weight in the back
Hallii
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Fiat have had their problems and still have a few. But so have most other base vehicle manufacturers.
The days of rust through are long gone, the mechanics are as good as any, fuel economy is good, servicing is very reasonable and best of all they are cheap.
That's why, after 40 years of motoring and avoiding anything Fiat I have actually recently bought one. Not a camper but a small car. Very good it is, and on performance to date I would buy another.
Hallii
The days of rust through are long gone, the mechanics are as good as any, fuel economy is good, servicing is very reasonable and best of all they are cheap.
That's why, after 40 years of motoring and avoiding anything Fiat I have actually recently bought one. Not a camper but a small car. Very good it is, and on performance to date I would buy another.
Hallii