Which Gas for Europe?

lebesset said:
let me be absolutely clear ; if i take a bottle somewhere to have it filled they take responsibility
and stating otherwise is erroneous
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No they dont - YOU are responsible if you go against the manufacturer's instructions!!!!!
 
let me be absolutely clear ; if I take a bottle somewhere to have it filled they take responsibility
and stating otherwise is erroneous
 
***** is right - you are giving potentially dangerous advice - and repeating the same error doesn't make it any better. You may think you can avoid taking responsibility for your actions but I assure you that in the event of an accident the insurance company will not let you.
 
Another question........

Ive clearly started a debate here! Thanks to all those who have made suggestions.

I've looked into the Gaslow refillable system. Its very expensive for what I want so Im going to stick with 1 calor gas bottle and another, freely available one from France.

It looks like Energaz is favorite.

At the moment I have a Gaslow Easy-Fit connector attached to the regulator by a stainless steel hose.

Can any body help please, with the details of the correct adaptor (and the supplier if poss) so I can connect the Easy-Fit onto an Energaz cylinder?

Many thanks again
 
***** said:
However the company accepting the job of refilling the bottle should be insured and I would have thought that they would be deemed to be the experts and not the customer.
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If the company knowingly fills the cylinder against the manufacturer's instructions, then their insurance will also be invalidated. But the critical thing here is that the customer is in control of the situation; the customer is the one who insists on the refill; the company is simply following instructions from the customer. Both have broken the rules but the customer is the prime agent.
 
sorry archie , not familiar with the uk manufacturers so can't help you there

but if you don't want to install the double system to have both bottles connected at the same time , wouldn't it be as easy to buy the other pigtail for and swop that when needed ?

LPG Pigtails,Cylinder Connectors, Tank Connectors, Washers and Spanners

looks like £4.16 + VAT to me

by the way , you buy your french bottle , so you can do what you please with it ...calor can only get away with the rental scam because of their monopoly position
 
***** said:
John, but wouldn't it them be a case of the dealer is the expert and the customer is the layman who doesn't know a thing. The dealer should know better and if unsafe should have refused to refill.
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But the customer is not, in the eyes of the law, a layman in this situation. The customer agreed to the terms and conditions when he bought/hired the cylinder. The customer therefore knows (or should know) that he would not be complying with those terms and conditions. There may be an element of blame to be attributed to the company that refills the cylinder but the prime blame rests with the customer. It is also worth bearing in mind that the rules about refilling may be different in, say, Romania, but if anything goes wrong you are insured by a British company who will hold you to the original terms and conditions, not whatever the law is in Romania! Quite simply, it is not worth taking the risk.

The following may be of interest:
The UKLPG (the Trade Association for the LPG industry) issues advice that portable cylinders should NOT be refilled at Autogas stations. Systems which are attached (and Gaslow comes into this category) are ok to be refilled in this way but not portable cylinders (whoever manufactures them and whether they are bought or hired).

They further say that “under no circumstances should cylinders which are not designed for user refilling be refilled other than by the cylinder supplier's authorised agent”. And they go on to say that “Such refilling would also be in breach of the conditions of supply ....and thus illegal”.

Seems clear enough to me – but if anybody wants to take the chance..............
 
Utterly Gassed

Hi Archie, I have a single fitted 11.5 gaslow which is filled at lpg stations and a lightweight plastic/fiberglass Calypso 11.5 (almost same weight full as my previous small 6kg calor was empty) bought from a french supermarket complete with Elf adapter for 19Euro about 2 years ago which I use for the BBQ and if needed a backup but must admit I have never had to, don't forget a decent/legal lenght of the correct hose and quality jubilee clips for coupling up if you do decide to buy over in france

regards mick
 
***** said:
John, good point about the law differentials in different countries.
When we had our Alugas fitted we had heard about possible problems refilling even the proper refillable bottles and with this in mind we decided not to have the filler fitting fitted inside the gas locker and had it fitted externally.
Not had a problem filling up to now (but only one season) so fingers crossed. I suppose that if you don't need to open a gas locker door or remove a cylinder the garages assume that you have under-slung fixed tanks
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I think you'll find that Alugas, like Gaslow, is ok - they are designed to be refilled by the customer and they are "fixed" in the sense that they do not have to be removed from the vehicle to be refilled. They don't have to be under-slung to be refillable under the rules. Our Gaslow filler fitting is fixed inside the gas locker because I didn't want another hole drilled in the van and because I wanted to be able to remove the whole thing and fit it in a new van if and when we get one.
 
madria said:
Hi Archie, I have a single fitted 11.5 gaslow which is filled at lpg stations and a lightweight plastic/fiberglass Calypso 11.5 (almost same weight full as my previous small 6kg calor was empty) bought from a french supermarket complete with Elf adapter for 19Euro about 2 years ago which I use for the BBQ and if needed a backup but must admit I have never had to, don't forget a decent/legal lenght of the correct hose and quality jubilee clips for coupling up if you do decide to buy over in france

regards mick
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Great advice. Many thanks
 
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