What should a dealer include?

[gasgas]

.....So the seller has to declare the vehicle sold
Then reclaim outstanding tax ...

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance).
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When you sell a vehicle and transfer ownership, whether a dealer is involved or not, the DVLA automatically sends you a cheque for the remaining whole months. You don't have to claim it.

Dealers can somehow tax vehicles when you buy them, without requiring to see your insurance. This has often puzzled me, I have bought motorhomes and cars from dealers who tax them (at my expense) before i drive them away. No insurance required.
This has nearly bankrupted me, I now have £4 in one account and £8 in another account. My granddaughter got a cracking new job, a hundred steps up from her last job walking dogs. The new job is 35 miles away so in a fit of generousity I bought her a decent £4500 car, the cheapest Kia Picanto. The dealer taxed it and granddaughter arranged (so she thought) insurance with her mother paying. Two weeks ago she was stopped for driving without insurance. The result is:
Taking to a secure compound and releasing it once insurance and ownership is proved £460
Insurance for one month, third party only, £500
Police fine £300 and 6 points.

I think the insurance will cost about £2500 for a year if she can get it. Her job won't afford that. She and we genuinely believed that her mother had arranged and paid for insurance, but apparently not. It is plainly obvious to all that the driver is responsible for insurance, valid MOT and so on, but granddaughter is a bit of a muddler and didn't think it was essential to be carrying or at least have at home an insurance certificate. She was just relying on her mother and thought the insurance was 'on the computer somewhere'.
Granddaughter lives with us after being thrown out of the house she was sharing with her fiancee. Her fancy new job won't pay for all these car expenses and she is very depressed. We had to pay for extracting the car - the option of course was for the car to be taken away and crushed presumably, she to lose her job and us having to continue seemingly forever feeding clothing and housing her. Her mother isn't in any position to fund any of the expenses or insurance.

This highlights how important it is to have insurance on a bit of paper, not on The Cloud somewhere and of course I guess granddaughter would have gone to prison if she had run into someone and put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. So just remember, you can buy a car or motorhome and the dealer can tax it even though it isn't insured.

 

[wildebus]

The automatic refund process doesn't always work. I bought in 2015 a T5. Private sale and then did the change of keeper etc.
When I went to tax it, it was not possible as the vehicle was already taxed.
The only thing that worked was to declare the vehicle SORN just before the end of the month, which kicks off an RFL cancellation and refund of any remaining months.
I was then able to tax the vehicle at the start of the next month (as an aside, in person as you cannot do a SORN and then retax the next day when you do this on-line. There is a time gap for some reason) in the normal way.
Bit of a faff, but on the plus side, it was ME and not the person I bought it from who received the refund cheque (11 months worth as a well as he just retaxed it prior to sale).

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance). It is up for negotiation if they charge you for this.
When I bought a second hand car earlier this the dealer taxed it in my name.
If he hadn't done this it would have been illegal for me to drive it home.
No negotiation was required because it is 100% EV.

What did end years back was the practice of including the car tax in the sale of the car.

In the good old days I could sell you a car with the tax included, so that you benefited from the tax I had paid on and after the sale date.
These days I have to pay tax until the end of the month and claim a refund for tax paid for next month onwards, and you must tax the car from the start of the current month.
So that we both end up paying for the current month.

'Scuse my ignorance, but what difference does that make, the EV bit that is?

Bear in mind I still live in the Stone Age where vehicles are concerned, so I know nowt about anything manufactured after 2011 !

 

[wildebus]

'Scuse my ignorance, but what difference does that make, the EV bit that is?

Bear in mind I still live in the Stone Age where vehicles are concerned, so I know nowt about anything manufactured after 2011 !

EV are currently £0.00 to tax, so the dealer obviously threw that in for free

 

[Drover]

And buying from dealers they will be shafting you for at least 10 grand, min 5 grand, they need those holls in spain you know.

Local one tò us said they need a minimum of £8ķ on each transaction, so you're spot on.
He told us to put ours up for £46k for private sale, I thought £39k,
Though we are off to the eu for 3 months at the end of October... but were looking for 6 mtr one. Given up looking now

 

[trevskoda]

When you sell a vehicle and transfer ownership, whether a dealer is involved or not, the DVLA automatically sends you a cheque for the remaining whole months. You don't have to claim it.

Dealers can somehow tax vehicles when you buy them, without requiring to see your insurance. This has often puzzled me, I have bought motorhomes and cars from dealers who tax them (at my expense) before i drive them away. No insurance required.
This has nearly bankrupted me, I now have £4 in one account and £8 in another account. My granddaughter got a cracking new job, a hundred steps up from her last job walking dogs. The new job is 35 miles away so in a fit of generousity I bought her a decent £4500 car, the cheapest Kia Picanto. The dealer taxed it and granddaughter arranged (so she thought) insurance with her mother paying. Two weeks ago she was stopped for driving without insurance. The result is:
Taking to a secure compound and releasing it once insurance and ownership is proved £460
Insurance for one month, third party only, £500
Police fine £300 and 6 points.

I think the insurance will cost about £2500 for a year if she can get it. Her job won't afford that. She and we genuinely believed that her mother had arranged and paid for insurance, but apparently not. It is plainly obvious to all that the driver is responsible for insurance, valid MOT and so on, but granddaughter is a bit of a muddler and didn't think it was essential to be carrying or at least have at home an insurance certificate. She was just relying on her mother and thought the insurance was 'on the computer somewhere'.
Granddaughter lives with us after being thrown out of the house she was sharing with her fiancee. Her fancy new job won't pay for all these car expenses and she is very depressed. We had to pay for extracting the car - the option of course was for the car to be taken away and crushed presumably, she to lose her job and us having to continue seemingly forever feeding clothing and housing her. Her mother isn't in any position to fund any of the expenses or insurance.

This highlights how important it is to have insurance on a bit of paper, not on The Cloud somewhere and of course I guess granddaughter would have gone to prison if she had run into someone and put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. So just remember, you can buy a car or motorhome and the dealer can tax it even though it isn't insured.

Something wrong here, online ins is ok if you have a copy on hand, id say mother did not bother insuring or thought her ins covered daughter which it does not unless she is over 25 and has ins on another car, many here try that one and get caught, i always get a ins cert and carry it so if stopped over the border in Ireland i can prove it.

 

[Sharon the Cat]

We bought our van from a dealer 5 years ago, part exchanging a T4 conversion. We arranged to collect the new (2 years old) van on the 1st of September. Interestingly the only dealer at the Three Counties show that could promise a used van in 2 weeks from order, although we had to return it for some extras to be fitted later.
I'm that tight we drove the T4 there the night before and parked it off-road, went home and SORNed it.
I can't remember what they included with it but we went back to have the solar panel fitted and I complained that they'd given us the daft drop-it-in-a-bucket Whale pump to fill the tank, and not the hose with the expensive fitting. A salesman overheard me complaining at the service desk, walked behind the guy I was talking to, plucked one off the shelf and gave it to me.

 

[r4dent]

'Scuse my ignorance, but what difference does that make, the EV bit that is?

Annual road tax for 100% EV is £0 !

 

[Moped]

When I bought my current van (new) it came with an EHU cable.
I told the salesman I'd left one in the van I was part ex-ing but he told me to take it out and keep it. Their policy was to provide a new cable with every second hand van, to avoid giving a purchaser a dangerous one.

Both of the dealers I have used advised it was illegal to sell a motorhome or caravan, new or second hand, with a pre owned cable. They had to supply new.

They both allowed me to keep the old cable on the p/x.

 

[trevskoda]

Both of the dealers I have used advised it was illegal to sell a motorhome or caravan, new or second hand, with a pre owned cable. They had to supply new.

They both allowed me to keep the old cable on the p/x.

Dealers here only want to sell new every time, very few used vans except old nackered thing or home built cr-p by the tonge and grove brigade.

 

[colinm]

Both of the dealers I have used advised it was illegal to sell a motorhome or caravan, new or second hand, with a pre owned cable. They had to supply new.

They both allowed me to keep the old cable on the p/x.

Once again, this might be a NCC reg, but I've not seen any law that says a pre owned cable can't be supplied with a motorhome.

 

[mistericeman]

I check on here most times before we head out in the van ...

Just to make sure everything is still covered ..

askMID

Our 5 landrovers and the Volvo are on one fleet/classic policy with Footman James Who I've used for years and keep in regular contact via email so I'm less worried about that .

 

[wildebus]

Once again, this might be a NCC reg, but I've not seen any law that says a pre owned cable can't be supplied with a motorhome.

I would be very very very surprised if this was against the law. Could be against the rules of a trade organisation but illegal?

 

[Scotia]

They should give you what you bargained for prior to purchase.I read something recently where someone asked the fire service what type of extinguisher is best for a motorhome, the reply was fit a quality fire alarm and get out sharpish.

 

[Fisherman]

They should give you what you bargained for prior to purchase.I read something recently where someone asked the fire service what type of extinguisher is best for a motorhome, the reply was fit a quality fire alarm and get out sharpish.

That’s more or less what the fire service would say.
The priority is to save life, not to extinguish a fire.
The fire service are far more proactive on early warning than extinguishing a fire using an extinguisher.

 

[Scotia]

That’s more or less what the fire service would say.
The priority is to save life, not to extinguish a fire.
The fire service are far more proactive on early warning than extinguishing a fire using an extinguisher.

I'd take a payout rather than a risk, is that not what we pay our premium for? P.S. I do have a fire blanket and extinguisher along with smoke and carbon monoxide.

 

[REC]

Our disaster of a new motorhome a few years back was agreed to include reversing camera, extinguisher, screens and an underslung gas tank. When we collected none of these were there. They also forgot to put in the leisure battery, so paid for us to go into a hotel for the night when we had driven 70+ miles, parked up and found no electrics. They did however, pay to have the rest added. It was returned within six months for a full refund due to the many faults which they could not rectify. They sold it on again ( without sorting the faults!) at a much higher price than when we bought it so made a profit (again). Feel so sorry for the poor mug who bought it!

 

[wildebus]

Our disaster of a new motorhome a few years back was agreed to include reversing camera, extinguisher, screens and an underslung gas tank. When we collected none of these were there. They also forgot to put in the leisure battery, so paid for us to go into a hotel for the night when we had driven 70+ miles, parked up and found no electrics. They did however, pay to have the rest added. It was returned within six months for a full refund due to the many faults which they could not rectify. They sold it on again ( without sorting the faults!) at a much higher price than when we bought it so made a profit (again). Feel so sorry for the poor mug who bought it!

Out of interest, how do you actually know they didn't sort out any of the faults

 

[Okta]

I was very surprised that they are obliged by law to fit new CO and smoke detectors but not replace a fire extinguisher which would have been part of the original factory build.

I have bought 2 new motorhomes, neither included a fire extinguisher but both came with smoke/CO detectors. Neither of the dealers supplied cables or gas cylinders. Fire extinguishers are not part of the original factory equipment.

 

[Mr and Mrs Tupcox]

Everything you ask for and agree .and check all before final payment.