What should a dealer include?

[gasgas]

Some put the 'on the road' price on the windscreen, i.e. they include habitation service, hopefully engine service, road tax and MOT. Most don't include road tax and don't tell you until you return to collect it. At the same time of course you have to fork out for insurance.
I was a bit surprised recently when we went to collect our 2019 motorhome. The dealer showed me how to operate most of the internals but not how to drive a new fangled unusually-operated automatic. It took me a long time to figure out how to release the electronic handbrake that I had not been shown. He showed me the new CO detector and smoke detector saying we have to fit new ones of those by law. Then I noticed an empty fire extinguisher cradle and said 'where's the fire extinguisher?'. He said they took it out because it was out of date. I said surely you are obliged to supply one, and he said no, you will have to supply one yourself. I was very surprised that they are obliged by law to fit new CO and smoke detectors but not replace a fire extinguisher which would have been part of the original factory build.

 

[izwozral]

Always had a fire extinguisher included in the package, maybe your dealer is tight wad?

 

[mistericeman]

They can't tax it for you ....that ended years back ...

Other than that ...

Caveat emptor surely ?

Down to the purchaser to check EXACTLY what's included at the purchase price ...
Because they ain't going to give you anything for nowt .

 

[trevskoda]

And buying from dealers they will be shafting you for at least 10 grand, min 5 grand, they need those holls in spain you know.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Its up to the buyer to ensure the dealer tells you all you need to know, most are lazy but none are mind readers.

 

[wildebus]

Better to have a push to get a new extinguisher than get an old one (having said that, the one with mine is now probably over 15 years old - but I bought a second one anyway to fit by the hab door, plus a fire stick to go with it).

I remember doing the switcharoo with a dealer when I part-ex'ed a car one time .... cashed in the road tax before I brought it in. Salesman was pee'd off and no mistake, but it wasn't listed in the deal, so couldn't do anything (I reckon they always cash them in and pocket the money).

 

[alcam]

They can't tax it for you ....that ended years back ...

Other than that ...

Caveat emptor surely ?

Down to the purchaser to check EXACTLY what's included at the purchase price ...
Because they ain't going to give you anything for nowt .

Last van , 4 years ago , was taxed ?
Second van (new) had no radio/CD player or spare wheel . I started removing radio and spare wheel from trade in van . Salesman , already embarrassed by his company (Brownhills?) , fixed things

 

[r4dent]

When I bought my current van (new) it came with an EHU cable.
I told the salesman I'd left one in the van I was part ex-ing but he told me to take it out and keep it. Their policy was to provide a new cable with every second hand van, to avoid giving a purchaser a dangerous one.

 

[mistericeman]

Last van , 4 years ago , was taxed ?
Second van (new) had no radio/CD player or spare wheel . I started removing radio and spare wheel from trade in van . Salesman , already embarrassed by his company (Brownhills?) , fixed things

2014 the DVLA changed the ability to transfer tax between owners ...

So the seller has to declare the vehicle sold
Then reclaim outstanding tax ...

New owner then applies for tax in new owners name etc ...
Means the dvla get a small proportion of ta back that we've paid for on regular occasions ;-)

 

[r4dent]

They can't tax it for you ....that ended years back ...

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance). It is up for negotiation if they charge you for this.
When I bought a second hand car earlier this the dealer taxed it in my name.
If he hadn't done this it would have been illegal for me to drive it home.
No negotiation was required because it is 100% EV.

What did end years back was the practice of including the car tax in the sale of the car.

In the good old days I could sell you a car with the tax included, so that you benefited from the tax I had paid on and after the sale date.
These days I have to pay tax until the end of the month and claim a refund for tax paid for next month onwards, and you must tax the car from the start of the current month.
So that we both end up paying for the current month.

 

[alcam]

2014 the DVLA changed the ability to transfer tax between owners ...

So the seller has to declare the vehicle sold
Then reclaim outstanding tax ...

New owner then applies for tax in new owners name etc ...
Means the dvla get a small proportion of ta back that we've paid for on regular occasions ;-)

Case I gave was for a new van

 

[mistericeman]

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance). It is up for negotiation if they charge you for this.
When I bought a second hand car earlier this the dealer taxed it in my name.
If he hadn't done this it would have been illegal for me to drive it home.
No negotiation was required because it is 100% EV.

What did end years back was the practice of including the car tax in the sale of the car.

In the good old days I could sell you a car with the tax included, so that you benefited from the tax I had paid on and after the sale date.
These days I have to pay tax until the end of the month and claim a refund for tax paid for next month onwards, and you must tax the car from the start of the current month.
So that we both end up paying for the current month.

Fair play ....

Long long time since I bought a car from a dealer ...

 

[wildebus]

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance). It is up for negotiation if they charge you for this.
When I bought a second hand car earlier this the dealer taxed it in my name.
If he hadn't done this it would have been illegal for me to drive it home.
No negotiation was required because it is 100% EV.

What did end years back was the practice of including the car tax in the sale of the car.

In the good old days I could sell you a car with the tax included, so that you benefited from the tax I had paid on and after the sale date.
These days I have to pay tax until the end of the month and claim a refund for tax paid for next month onwards, and you must tax the car from the start of the current month.

So that we both end up paying for the current month.

It is very easy to avoid that happening by timing the sale date right

The same sitution occurs if you are doing a weight charge that changes the category, and again you simply time the weight change for the end of the month. The DVLA process does not check something is cancelled the exact moment of a sale (or change) as they have to account for postal times for a start as there is no requirement to have to do this on-line if you don't want to.

 

[trevskoda]

What should a dealer include, a certificate of honesty, few and far between as we say here.

 

[Boris7]

I simply gave the dealer a list of what he needed to include/fix and told him to agree in writing before I’d pay a deposit.

 

[colinm]

He showed me the new CO detector and smoke detector saying we have to fit new ones of those by law.

I believe this is for NCC approved dealers, and not a legal requirement.

 

[Robmac]

I think you are wrong there. A dealer can tax it for you but they need certain details to do it (e.g. insurance). It is up for negotiation if they charge you for this.
When I bought a second hand car earlier this the dealer taxed it in my name.
If he hadn't done this it would have been illegal for me to drive it home.
No negotiation was required because it is 100% EV.

What did end years back was the practice of including the car tax in the sale of the car.

In the good old days I could sell you a car with the tax included, so that you benefited from the tax I had paid on and after the sale date.
These days I have to pay tax until the end of the month and claim a refund for tax paid for next month onwards, and you must tax the car from the start of the current month.
So that we both end up paying for the current month.

Yes indeed, I have just bought a new motorcycle and they sent me a receipt today.

The details included an £80 charge for 12 months Road Fund License.

 

[Millie Master]

In answer to the OP's original question "What should a dealer include", I would most humbly suggest high levels of:- decent and open honesty, attention to detail, an open willingness to put right all the dreadful woes the countless £10's of £000 of MoHo you have just purchased from them"!

 

[yeoblade]

I did the road tax thing too, dealer not a happy bunny, we finally agreed he'd tax the new car if I gave him the old tax disc. Used to be their little beer money scam.

 

[trevskoda]

I remember when in a big dealership up at the lunch table the sales men having a giggle and telling how much they had robbed extra of some old pensioner, saying the old fart could have saved hundreds on a deal if he had blaged it a bit more, yes they have to make money, but robbery is robbery in my book.