What do you think will happen?

SimonM

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Middle of 2023 I bought a fairly new MH from a large dealership. It seemed to be exactly what I wanted. Soon afterwards when I’d loaded it fully and took it to a couple of local weighbridges it was very apparent I that it had been described inaccurately. I can’t say ‘illegally’ for obvious reasons but the inference is there.
I took them to task, described wrongly etc. and not fit for purpose. They refused the return, which is commonly expected of them, and so I went all legal.
My team argued the case back and forth for a couple of months while went away on holiday in my other motorhome that I was selling privately.
3 months later, or so, I was informed that it had been settled, and for me to get that MH back in order to get my refund, plus all expenses.
This I did and was fully reimbursed, I then went and bought a new Hymer after it had been weighed for me.

15 months since it was returned that same MH is still sitting unsold on the dealer forecourt. The payload has now been accurately shown as 250kg. A pitifully low value which will not allow it to be run legally on the road, if you consider carrying, crockery, silverware, food in fridge, water, clothing, people and a dozen other things we all carry. I’ve done the maths, accurately, and know it needs to be uprated from 3500kg, to at least 3850kg. By the way it had been down rated from 3650kg as it left the factory, so I found out later in my research.

To get it to 3850kg requires air suspension rear and a change of tyres minimum - I did that an enquiry exercise through SV. Lots of additional expense

My question is - how will they possibly be able to sell it now 15 months later , when it can’t be used? I am keeping a regular check on taxation and GVW of it. Judging by its price they want to recoup the original price along with their legal expenses - so it’s far higher than I paid.
 
They can sell it as 750 class c to 7.5 tons, again this will impact on drivers with correct licence, ie many of us old timers.
Or when the new weight rules come into force if they ever do, could be on the forecourt a long time devalueing.
 
Glad you got a resolution finally Simon.

It used to make me laugh (and also frustrated) on my decade+ long hunt for our replacement van when I used to go into dealers to see their reaction when you start talking about payload and weighbridges. The "winning" Salesman smile would evaporate as soon as they realised you weren't a newbie and knew a bit about payload etc.

As soon as you started asking about visits to weighbridges etc 95% of them didn't want to know. Its shocking really as its one of the most important factors in buying a van and even if you know about payload and know what it should be on paper it still requires a visit to a weighbridge as the salesman's word and even the spec sheets can't be trusted.

When I bought my new van (privately) in 2024 the condition of sale was a visit to a weighbridge with a ticket. I knew technically the payload was close to 1000kg but I wanted it confirmed.
 
They can sell it as 750 class c to 7.5 tons, again this will impact on drivers with correct licence, ie many of us old timers.
Or when the new weight rules come into force if they ever do, could be on the forecourt a long time devalueing.
To increase the payload to 3850 as an example it needs new alloy wheels (or perhaps steels) as well as tyres and air suspension as it’s sitting on low weight value alloys
 
Those of us who do know a little about payload and how it’s evaluated must wonder, like I do, how many motorhomes running around in holiday mode are actually within their allotted gross weight? Could it be a high percentage of them? I know that my Hymer completely full of everything, comes in a 4.2t as proven on a convenient free, open weighbridge at the end of a layby I came across in Sweden, or maybe it was Norway.
 
Many years ago I raised this with a well known motorhome mag, I suggested they take any motorhome on test to a weighbridge to ascertain it's actual weight. They answered that this was not always practical, seems odd, as at the time one of their most prolific testers had to pass a weighbridge to get to his favorite spot for photo's.
 
I took mine to the weighbridge with most of the normal stuff like crockery tools bedding etc and half full tanks and it came out 400Kg under max weight.

So we have 400Kg to play with for driver, passenger, full fuel and water tanks, food, and 2 bikes.

Even that is not particularly generous, but won't be a problem.

Ours HAS been uprated with air assist suspension and re plated but conveniently to 3500Kg.

But it is not your problem what happens to this one. You don't owe anyone a duty of care to make sure it is plated correctly.
 
I don't think people realise just how much stuff they accumulate either and it all eats into the precious payload. I've always been quite strict about what goes in the van as I know Michelle has a tendency to put way too much stuff in. Its not a concern now but on the old van it was. We ended up in a situation when I sold the old van so quickly I had to empty it in two hours flat. The pavement and driveway outside our house was literally full of the stuff that came out of the van. It was unbelievable how much of it there was. I wish I had taken a photo.
 
I had similar experiences with 2 dealerships in Lancashire.
One beginning with B ,the other with T.
One was resolved by the local Trading Standards.
The other, on the steps of the Small Claims Court.
Both told me a series of lies, downright lies and complete fabrication.

Luckily, I kept a diary and all paperwork involved.
There are some good dealers, but you must realise that you're dealing with the motor trade.
Approach with caution.
 
You can buy a brand new motorhome that has less payload than the one mentioned here and that's as it comes on the road, no down plating involved. I think the worse I saw on fun was 64kgs after allowing for the driver.
 
Many years ago I raised this with a well known motorhome mag, I suggested they take any motorhome on test to a weighbridge to ascertain it's actual weight. They answered that this was not always practical, seems odd, as at the time one of their most prolific testers had to pass a weighbridge to get to his favorite spot for photo's.
Perhaps because that would then raise awkward questions that they’d prefer not to have to ask the manufacturer?
 
Have you got a link, that is a good excuse for getting a thinner passenger 👍
It was last summer I think Tez, if you search there for payload you should get the thread. They were listing all motorhomes (new) as they got the data.
 
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