Warning - Quicksand danger - The Ship Inn, Sandside POI

[maingate]

I don't need to be protective David (he's a big ex Marine ). Many Fire staff are fed up with the way things are going in their jobs. They would like to do more but they will be sacked for stepping out of line. This is why morale is at an all time low. I can sympathise with them because I retired early because of the direction Industry is going in. Yes, it is H & S to blame in part. The biggest contributor though is the modern method of Management. ie, if you do nothing, then nothing can be blamed on you. It's the Politics of the madhouse.

 

[n8rbos]

Pxxsses me off though the idiots who ignore signs etc without a thought of their safety AND THAT of those that have to rescue them! Too many folk have been moddlecoddled and rely too much on services that may not get to them!

With the amount of procedures/assements etc that need to be carried out i'm surprised anyone gets saved, but the saviours can't be blamed they are held back but rules and regs for their 'own safety' not left to their common sense ( which has left every walk of life) and if ignore these and do something ' off their own back' ,get injured would most probably be told it's their own fault ,lose sick pay and get not financial help at all, although they saved lives.

 

[whitevanwoman]

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[Smaug]

May I add another observation or two?

Many people these days take the sea & mountains too lightly. To some extent, this has always been the case as people are seldom frightened if they do not understand the risks. But cheap & easy transport, cheap outdoor gear & readily available gps help people to think that the great outdoors is perfectly safe.

Well, of course it is, 99.9% of the time if you are sensible, but that easy availability & apparent familiarity means people do NOT think about the potential consequences of the risks they take.

Finally, almost everyone has a mobile phone in their pocket & there is a general assumption "What could possibly go wrong, and I can easily call for help anyway" - which also tends to encourage risk taking without considering consequences.

Unfortunately, there are many places around the coast & up in the mountains where phone signals are very poor or completely non-existent. The public are too often lulled into a false sense of security. any RNLI or Mountain Rescue team will tell you how much more often they are rescuing idiots rather than casualties.

 

[scampa]

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[Firefox]

The rescue business is a big one: witness the numerous TV programmes that are made about them, so, as more and more people develop fewer and fewer life-skills, they will grow bigger. A waste of resources?

I think the TV concentration on rescue and emergency services is more to do with the fact that it's an easy subject to hijack for entertaining and popular television than anything else.

 

[Smaug]

As a Shoreline member of the RNLI I must correct your assertion that "people rescued" by the RNLI is the same as "Lives saved". It is not, to count as a life saved the person must be genuinely at risk of losing their life or sustaining a serious injury. Other people are simply classed as "rescued".

The ones you quote were rescued, had they been walking the dog & cut off on a sandbank, then that may be lives saved. Towed in from mechanical failure in reasonable weather is "rescued", towed in from mechanical failure in really bad weather or close to drifting onto rocks may well be "lives saved". The distinctions are clearly made & the stats are reported separately. And, altho you may dispute one or two specific decisions on matters of detail, the general principle does work well.

 

[Channa]

As a Shoreline member of the RNLI I must correct your assertion that "people rescued" by the RNLI is the same as "Lives saved". It is not, to count as a life saved the person must be genuinely at risk of losing their life or sustaining a serious injury. Other people are simply classed as "rescued".

The ones you quote were rescued, had they been walking the dog & cut off on a sandbank, then that may be lives saved. Towed in from mechanical failure in reasonable weather is "rescued", towed in from mechanical failure in really bad weather or close to drifting onto rocks may well be "lives saved". The distinctions are clearly made & the stats are reported separately. And, altho you may dispute one or two specific decisions on matters of detail, the general principle does work well.

Thanks Smaug for defining the difference, I have a RNLI sticker on the front door of the pub ( I didnt put it there to be fair) and we are 60 miles from the coast.

Grace Darling, to me epitomises the human spirit and the desire to help others. Brian Bevan who was Cox at Spurn Point ( only full time crew in the country ) won various awards, I am confident he wasnt glory hunting just ( understatement) good at doing something which was close to him.

I often hear about putting the "Great " back in Britain, seeing the selfless devotion to help others displayed by the RNLI wouldnt be a bad benchmark to start from, We still are "great " its just time we started to believe it again.

Channa

 

[n8rbos]

Thanx to the rnli lads at scarboro' i got food poisonin lol, they were on their training night ( which were watching with interest) when they came on land one or two went across to harry ramsdens ( i think they get discounted or free nosh from them ) i have a dodgy stomach with fish or chicken, anyways HR was recommended lol, two days later i walked from the hotel!!!!!! Gawd bless lol

 

[Boots]

Hi Again WVW,

On a lighter note!

Glad that the cooker is earning its keep, still not used mine beginning to think it'll never happen.

I had forgotten about the Yankee screw driver but I expect it will be earning its keep for many a year to come.

Sands rescue? Nuff said I think.

Take care


Boots

 

[Bigpeetee]

May I add another observation or two?

Many people these days take the sea & mountains too lightly. To some extent, this has always been the case as people are seldom frightened if they do not understand the risks. But cheap & easy transport, cheap outdoor gear & readily available gps help people to think that the great outdoors is perfectly safe.

Well, of course it is, 99.9% of the time if you are sensible, but that easy availability & apparent familiarity means people do NOT think about the potential consequences of the risks they take.

Finally, almost everyone has a mobile phone in their pocket & there is a general assumption "What could possibly go wrong, and I can easily call for help anyway" - which also tends to encourage risk taking without considering consequences.

Unfortunately, there are many places around the coast & up in the mountains where phone signals are very poor or completely non-existent. The public are too often lulled into a false sense of security. any RNLI or Mountain Rescue team will tell you how much more often they are rescuing idiots rather than casualties.

Sadly, many people have a reliance on electronic gizmo's without understanding the basics.

Stuff goes faulty, batteries go flat. GPS does fail to give accurate information.

I always taught that the GPS is an aid to navigation and comes second to charts/maps.

Reliance on gadgets has brought about a reduction in common sense.

People rely on ABS to get them out of problems of driving too close & fast.

It seems that these aids, rather than add an additional layer of safety, result in additional risks being taken without regard to anything around them.

My step daughter received a fine for driving in a bus lane. " I was following the Satnav, and I said to my friend, I don't think we should be going this way, but as the Satnav told me, I followed" OK in this instance the only cost was £30 fine.

Living on the coast, close to the mountains, I've seen so many idiots, jet skiers who nearly died because they didn't have flares or wet/dry suit. Happend in the same week as the Conwy Sinking sand

 

[Smaug]

Tony (HM at Conwy ) used to call 'em the Birmingham navy - typically have no idea that the tide when going in & out also goes up & down!!!

 

[Wooie1958]

Just a warning to anyone using the Ship Inn at Sandside (near Arnside) in South Cumbria - this afternoon I was walking the dog along the sand/mud flats adjacent to the road when I came across 2 people stuck in the mud and sinking, only 30 metres away from the road and the pub. A young lad had thrown them a life ring and was holding one of them by the rope but both casualties were stuck like glue and sinking. They had been walking their dog further out on the sands and were returning back to the pub when they got stuck crossing a mud channel.

They were eventually safely rescued in a joint operation involving 3 Cumbria Fire and Rescue Service crews, (Morecambe) Bay Search and Rescue team (volunteers) and HM Coastguard but it took at least an hour to get them out and considerable effort and specialised equipment. The rescue teams had to then go back and rescue some of their kit which was sinking. With at least 2 police cars controlling traffic along the road which was almost blocked because of all the emergency vehicles, the whole incident will have cost thousands of pounds, but will hopefully be a good warning of the very real risks of walking on the sand flats.

POI Admin - is there any way to add a "DO NOT WALK ON THE SANDS DUE TO QUICKSAND DANGER" (or words to that effect) note to the POI?

Here you go :- Couple stuck in quicksand on Cumbria beach spark full-scale rescue - AOL Travel UK

 

[Wooie1958]

This is one of the Warning Signs, the Life Belt should give you an indication of their size and they are at regular intervals along the front :-

 

[Wooie1958]

Knew i`d seen them somewhere, these are the slightly Newer Warning Signs installed late last year :-

 

[Smaug]

Ha ha & how long would they last if they were? :wacko:

 

[Wooie1958]

Yes they are still there, we was there a week or so back on the Coastguard Station Car Park and it was packed.

The sands there are totally different and people regularly go out and have their picture taken with them.

That`s one of the Coastguard Stations due for closure and apparently the Car Park as well.

No doubt it will end up with some Posh Sea View apartments like they have built on the corner as you turn in.

 

[Smaug]

But that's "Another Place" :lol-061:

Those are solid cast iron & set deep into firm sand, simple steel notice poles are unlikely to last long & siting them in quicksand is simply pointless, as I am sure you well know. Galvanised railings along the prom at New Brighton near there quite often get carried away within the year.

Nice pic by the way, it isn't always clear enough to see the Welsh Hills like that, they must be about 50 odd miles away.