Wallasey / New Brighton stopover under threat

[Deleted member 8148]

Hi all,

Looks like the local moaners are about to have their way with respect to the promenade stop-over at Wallasey. See attached documents. I really can't understand what the problem is, as the spot is well away from everything. The crazy thing is that the restricted parking is only in a small area so the vans will just be able to move along a bit to avoid it. Looks imminent.


View attachment campervan council notes.pdfView attachment campervan update.pdfView attachment campervan map wallasey.pdf

 

[maureenandtom]

It's worth reading Are we public enemy in the eyes of councils? and the comments on:

Residents' anger over camper van owners | Wirral Globe

There was to have been something provided for us - and it looked like the council was sympathetic towards motorhomes. This from a previous report to the council.

This will have been scuppered, not by the public, but by interested councillors. The public shows remarkably little antagonism towards motorhomes and if the public has done so here it will be a first.

 

[phillybarbour]

It’s a great spot let’s see what area in covers.

 

[Fisherman]

One Motorhomer must have forgot to pick up the mess that the youngsters partying through the night left in the morning. You know the same youngsters who will still be able to use the facilities. Sorry I know some don’t agree, but get used to it. The more this kind of thing carries on the more other councils will take notice and follow suit.

And what are we doing, no more than having a chat about it, some even stating it’s what we deserve.

Sorry but I just get so pissed of with this.

 

[trevskoda]

On a legal point the wording on signage will not stand up if printed without a court agreement,and may i point out we use motorcaravans so if they print the wrong thing its not of any use.

 

[landoboguy]

I was there again the other night. I visit regularly. Some of the vans/caravans/converted buses there have been there well over 3 months, some 6 months or more, and are in a right mess, caravans look like theyve never been washed perished half flat tyres and vans that look like they wouldnt pass an mot next time round if life depended on it.

Dont lets sit here and think because we are responsible everyone is. One guy virtually lives there full time and goes to work each day from his caravan and his place is a proper sh*thole.

I could see this coming this year with the state of some folk, and yes some of them DO leave rubbish hanging out of the already full bins to fall on the street, Ive witnessed it.
Starting to look like a rough camp site in places Im afraid

On another note, I wonder whether the highways will do anything to stop the D**heads in the ford escort cosworth circa 1992 and the astras that regularly use it as a racetrack. Probably not, as that would mean far more money in traffic calming measures rather than signs to deter MH folk.

 

[Fisherman]

I was there again the other night. I visit regularly. Some of the vans/caravans/converted buses there have been there well over 3 months, some 6 months or more, and are in a right mess, caravans look like theyve never been washed perished half flat tyres and vans that look like they wouldnt pass an mot next time round if life depended on it.

Dont lets sit here and think because we are responsible everyone is. One guy virtually lives there full time and goes to work each day from his caravan and his place is a proper sh*thole.

I could see this coming this year with the state of some folk, and yes some of them DO leave rubbish hanging out of the already full bins to fall on the street, Ive witnessed it.
Starting to look like a rough camp site in places Im afraid

On another note, I wonder whether the highways will do anything to stop the D**heads in the ford escort cosworth circa 1992 and the astras that regularly use it as a racetrack. Probably not, as that would mean far more money in traffic calming measures rather than signs to deter MH folk.

Well surely if you can see this so can the authorities.

These you describe have got nothing to do with us, we should not be talking about them in the same breath.
If we had a vetted organisation they would not be welcome, but unfortunately we don't.

But as you say the council look for the broad sweep and the cheap an easy way out.

It has to change.

 

[malagaoth]

Hurray! landoboguy at least 'gets it'!

Not every motorhome is owned by a stalwart of society, not every motorhome is a thing of beauty.

SOME motorhomers are dirty, irresponsible and do unpleasant things.

the fact that there was no 'tangible evidence' of people emptying black waste into the sea is not evidnece that it doesnt happen - even the most feckless motorhome owner is not going to do it in full view of the locals and once its hit the sea its 'gone' .

These you describe have got nothing to do with us, we should not be talking about them in the same breath

great, what do you propose, post 2000 Hymer A class motor homes only? no motorhomes older than 2000? no scruffy motorhomes? no motorhomes owned by scruffy people? (who decides what is scruffy?)

To people that dont do motorhoming a motorhome is a motor home is a motorhome! they dont differentiate between a £100 000N&B gin palace and a badly self converted 40 yearold Bedford horse box - and why should they?


Last October I stayed in large holiday site - £1 per night special offer - not my usual choice but hey it was well placed and £1 per night! less than 100 yards from the entrance parked in a layby alongside a major road was a caravan by the state of it and the area around it it had been there a while - it was certainly there when I arrived and when I left a few days later.

I have to wonder where it was dumping its waste!

 

[landoboguy]

Well surely if you can see this so can the authorities.

These you describe have got nothing to do with us, we should not be talking about them in the same breath.
If we had a vetted organisation they would not be welcome, but unfortunately we don't.

But as you say the council look for the broad sweep and the cheap an easy way out.

It has to change.

Oh and not to mention the bufoons in a nice new Kon Tiki black edition,(at least 70k worth) on the Saturday of bonfire night. WAIT FOR IT!!!

4 adults and 4 kids (ish) right at the side of the road, gets out a fire pit.grate, light the "bonfire" and its right on the path, the cycleway part, tins of beer out, and kids with sparklers dad sets fireworks off into the night sky, not 20 yds from me. ON THE PAVEMENT FCS.

And yes I think we should be talking about these people in the same breath, in the hopes they are on, or stumble across this site and see what people think of the behaviour, ruining it for everyone.
No one is holier than tho where I stand. We cant be the motorhome police, but hope our attitude rubs off on others.

 

[antiquesam]

Well surely if you can see this so can the authorities.

These you describe have got nothing to do with us, we should not be talking about them in the same breath.
If we had a vetted organisation they would not be welcome, but unfortunately we don't.

But as you say the council look for the broad sweep and the cheap an easy way out.

It has to change.

Are you suggesting that people would have to be vetted before being allowed to buy a motorhome, or convert a van? Would my van be scrapped because it is 24 years old? Who would police this scheme?

 

[landoboguy]

The fact is, wherever you go in society there will always be those ruining it.

 

[Fisherman]

I was referring to people spending months in the one place.

It appears that you are all ok with what’s happening not only here but on a regular basis throughout the country.

 

[Fisherman]

Are you suggesting that people would have to be vetted before being allowed to buy a motorhome, or convert a van? Would my van be scrapped because it is 24 years old? Who would police this scheme?

Are you having a laugh.

I was referring to the people who spend months at one location and who don’t follow the rules that decent people follow.

I don’t care how old your vehicle is that is of no concern to me whatsoever.

 

[Fisherman]

Hurray! landoboguy at least 'gets it'!

Not every motorhome is owned by a stalwart of society, not every motorhome is a thing of beauty.

SOME motorhomers are dirty, irresponsible and do unpleasant things.

the fact that there was no 'tangible evidence' of people emptying black waste into the sea is not evidnece that it doesnt happen - even the most feckless motorhome owner is not going to do it in full view of the locals and once its hit the sea its 'gone' .



great, what do you propose, post 2000 Hymer A class motor homes only? no motorhomes older than 2000? no scruffy motorhomes? no motorhomes owned by scruffy people? (who decides what is scruffy?)

To people that dont do motorhoming a motorhome is a motor home is a motorhome! they dont differentiate between a £100 000N&B gin palace and a badly self converted 40 yearold Bedford horse box - and why should they?


Last October I stayed in large holiday site - £1 per night special offer - not my usual choice but hey it was well placed and £1 per night! less than 100 yards from the entrance parked in a layby alongside a major road was a caravan by the state of it and the area around it it had been there a while - it was certainly there when I arrived and when I left a few days later.

I have to wonder where it was dumping its waste!

No a minimum of a £150,000 hymer :fun::lol-053::lol-053:

You take the straw man thing to new limits with that sad post.

You know fine well I was not referring to people’s vehicles but there unreasonable actions.

But then why am I not surprised by the straw man post.

 

[Fisherman]

The fact is, wherever you go in society there will always be those ruining it.

Yes John, but that does not justify us all being tarred with the same brush.

Surely the council could have dealt with the long stayers.

To simply do what they are doing is the cheap easy solution, which punnishes those who have behaved properly.

 

[landoboguy]

To simply do what they are doing is the cheap easy solution

Nail , hammer, head Im afraid.
Thats councils for you

 

[mickymost]

As usual the few spoil it for many.We have stayed here twice this year for 10 days at a time but mixed it up by moving along the proemenade and up by the green areas So it appeared we werent long stayers taking the p.Others we witnessed being parked on the section this posting refers to for the time we were there not moving an inch.yes two weeks without moving.The sea front spaces being the prime spots for these long stayers.So it becomes to look like a free campsite.There are no residents close living to this so not really a problem BUT the council looks down on this and the genuine wildcamper like on this forum is the ones affected by this irresponsible action of the few.We even spoke while here to local folk who were fully ok with the motorhomers here.So like whitby,scarborough etc the no overnight signs go up.Its a shame because now we have to spend our money elsewhere so local shops etc will loose out.Why the council couldn't provide a cheap aire type facility which would be easy to do on this area this post refers to as a barrier both sides could be erected where one pays a nominal sum to stayover.We would pay it if the cost was reasonable i/e not campsite rates.

Michael

 

[Fisherman]

I apologise to anyone on here who thought I was referring to the outfits.

I would never do this, that is simply not me.
I have witnessed some wonderful older units in my travels, they may look tired but I honestly admire those far more skilful than myself, who manage to keep them on the road.

I was on Arran this summer and got chatting to an owner of a 42 year old small Motorhome.
This was his pride and joy, he had owned it for 14 years. I can’t remember the model now, and I should have taken a photo.

My comments are about the actions of some who quite frankly take the piss, and ruin it for us all.

But that does not excuse the actions of councils who treat us poorly in my honest opinion.

 

[Fisherman]

As usual the few spoil it for many.We have stayed here twice this year for 10 days at a time but mixed it up by moving along the proemenade and up by the green areas So it appeared we werent long stayers taking the p.Others we witnessed being parked on the section this posting refers to for the time we were there not moving an inch.yes two weeks without moving.The sea front spaces being the prime spots for these long stayers.So it becomes to look like a free campsite.There are no residents close living to this so not really a problem BUT the council looks down on this and the genuine wildcamper like on this forum is the ones affected by this irresponsible action of the few.We even spoke while here to local folk who were fully ok with the motorhomers here.So like whitby,scarborough etc the no overnight signs go up.Its a shame because now we have to spend our money elsewhere so local shops etc will loose out.Why the council couldn't provide a cheap aire type facility which would be easy to do on this area this post refers to as a barrier both sides could be erected where one pays a nominal sum to stayover.We would pay it if the cost was reasonable i/e not campsite rates.

Michael

Fine post Michael fine post.

 

[mickymost]

Fisherman I get where you are coming from the age of a vehicle motorhome or campervan is unimportant providing said owners dont take advantage and use a parkup for weeks on end like some seem to do.But as you say in local councils eyes the motorhomer is becoming an easy target and the daytrippers who we have witnessed on many occasions are the ones who make the mess. And we get tarred with that dirty brush!

Michael