Waiting for Boris's message tomorrow

We all need to be patient and bear with the situation and need to be thankful we still are lucky to be alive and kicking.And many of us as BarryD said will have changed our attitudes of life forever,with how we handle things.

BarryD condolences for your recently departed friend. It makes it real.
 
antiquesam said:
We are told that we have approximately 28000 deaths from influenza every year. This seems to be considered acceptable so presumably that would be ok for Covid. Flu seems to have taken a back seat this year.
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Do you have a source for "28000 deaths from influenza every year." or is it a figure that someone has invented?

Another version( as published in BMJ (British Medical Journal) paints a different picture
https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rr-6
"the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, "
 
r4dent said:
Do you have a source for "28000 deaths from influenza every year." or is it a figure that someone has invented?

Another version( as published in BMJ (British Medical Journal) paints a different picture
https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rr-6
"the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, "
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Tookey said:
Maybe a mistake on Sam's part, there was a 'high' of 28,000 in winter 2014/15 according to this link (first one admittedly). This does conflict with your source hugely!!

Stats eh!

fullfact.org

How does the new coronavirus compare to influenza? - Full Fact

The World Health Organisation says the Covid-19 coronavirus spreads slower than the flu, but appears to have a higher mortality rate.
fullfact.org fullfact.org
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335 one year and 28000 another well who is making up these figures?
 
r4dent said:
Do you have a source for "28000 deaths from influenza every year." or is it a figure that someone has invented?

Another version( as published in BMJ (British Medical Journal) paints a different picture
https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rr-6
"the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, "
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I really don't know whether someone has invented it. It was a figure given to me by Alexa, and I wouldn't want to call her a liar.
 
mickymost said:
335 one year and 28000 another well who is making up these figures?
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NHS, 8000 average for flu in England, is that a fair compromise :LOL:

www.england.nhs.uk

NHS England North » Winter bugs like flu and norovirus must be taken seriously, warns NHS

NHS staff pulling out all the stops as flu and norovirus circulate Flu and norovirus major contributing factor to winter NHS pressure Warning to heed norovirus advice and get the free flu jab if eligible As the first real cold snap of the winter season hits the North East and North Cumbria, the...
www.england.nhs.uk www.england.nhs.uk
 
Office for National Statistics.
As good as you'll get?

Looks like the deaths are subdivided into the type of flu?

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"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
What you have to know is how flu kills you and how it allows other viruses to kill you, most people who have flu will contract pneumonia and it is this that will kill you, so this will be recorded as dying from pneumonia with influenza as a secondary infection.
Along similar lines my mother had MND this reduced the effectiveness of her lungs to expel fluid, this in turn allowed pneumonia to kill her. As is always the case, this was recorded as a death due to pneumonia with MND as a secondary disease, but without MND she wouldn't have died.
 
r4dent said:
Do you have a source for "28000 deaths from influenza every year." or is it a figure that someone has invented?

Another version( as published in BMJ (British Medical Journal) paints a different picture
https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rr-6
"the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, "
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Chris Whitty (I think it was) said a week or so ago that the annual death rate from influenza varied from a couple of thousand to the highest recent figure of 28,000. He also said that because of Covid restrictions, 'flu has barely had a look in this winter.
 
every decade or so there is a major flu epidemic hong kong, asian, swine flu etc this leaves a whole generation ready to be culled when a stronger strain evolves and the death rate jumps up to 5-6 times the average , these were the high figures recorded last spring didn’t help their situation that so many were trapped in care homes etc , for all that we seem to be emerging from this epidemic hopefully having learnt lessons it is more on the lines of smallpox etc than flu and will leave a long legacy
 
Only tonight on the update Chris Whitty said on average 9,000 per year die due to influenza and other respiratory diseases. Take from that what you will.
 
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