Vin Chip ... Hopefully this news isn't going to start another argument, sorry debate............

Hallmut

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They cut the s wheel and remove bar,wheel still usable.
I'll let the Gorillas around here know, they are still ragging the steering wheels off that have bar locks. Probably more brawn than brains. Bet they don't try it with an Airbag wheel though.:D
 

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Would be a better idea if they incorporated it with gps. That way, a phone app on the owners phone could track it exactly to where it ends up. Lithium watch batteries would be enough to power one for up to 10 years.
This watch battery is going to power a GPS receiver and a mobile phone transmitter for ten years? How big is your watch?
 

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This watch battery is going to power a GPS receiver and a mobile phone transmitter for ten years? How big is your watch?
It only has to power a micro gps, not a phone transmitter, these use less power than a watch ( some watches have them). The micro unit transmits to available satellites. An App on your phone does all the trickery of recieving and triangulation of the signal. People already use these on luggage, expensive goods etc.
 

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Erm, the micro unit does not transmit to satellites. No GPS units do. GPS is read only.
Your phone cannot do triangulation of the signal. How could it triangulate?
I am sorry, but whoever told you how GPS works was having a laugh at your expense.
 

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Erm, the micro unit does not transmit to satellites. No GPS units do. GPS is read only.
Your phone cannot do triangulation of the signal. How could it triangulate?
I am sorry, but whoever told you how GPS works was having a laugh at your expense.
So it would seem, after a bit of research by myself.
 

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Erm, the micro unit does not transmit to satellites. No GPS units do. GPS is read only.
Your phone cannot do triangulation of the signal. How could it triangulate?
I am sorry, but whoever told you how GPS works was having a laugh at your expense.
Here we go. The gps is read only (as you correctly say). I didn't say the phone does the locating, I said the app. Maybe this needs a third party involved? In which case that may be subscription and as expensive as the tracker systems.
The Experiment, with one of my Drones. Last night I took it down to a local disused Quarry, switched on. Rung my brother up who was at my place and asked him to open the app on my phone, and use the find my drone function. It worked.
I made it as difficult as possible for the App/ satellites, by putting the aircraft in the Boot of my car. Choosing the Quarry as it is overgrown with tall trees.
So theoretically, is it possible to incorporate a gps in a module like the OP mentioned, and use an App on a mobile phone, to track your vehicle?
 
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Sorry, I'm not going to explain the system for you. I'll just repeat that a watch battery cannot power a tracker for years, unless it remains powered off.
 

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Worth pointing out that the find my drone function has nothing to to with GPS. It detects the powerful transmitter in the drone.
 

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Worth pointing out that the find my drone function has nothing to to with GPS. It detects the powerful transmitter in the drone.
What detects it?. Iff you are on about the transmitter, I left mine 2 miles away in the house. The quarry is a deep hole. Sorry just trying to get my head around why personal gps function can't be used. Probably not for discussion here though. Thanks.
 

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Lets get this clear. I am telling you that a GPS receiver works out its position for itself using data received from the satellites.
I am telling you that no part of a GPS system reports its position.
A tracker will have a radio transmitter to report its location. This may use mobile signal or it may use a radio beacon transmitter.
Either way this uses a lot more power than a watch battery can power for several years.
When it comes to locating a drone there are several possible ways to do it but none of them are relevant to how a hidden tracker could work.
 

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Lets get this clear. I am telling you that a GPS receiver works out its position for itself using data received from the satellites.
I am telling you that no part of a GPS system reports its position.
A tracker will have a radio transmitter to report its location. This may use mobile signal or it may use a radio beacon transmitter.
Either way this uses a lot more power than a watch battery can power for several years.
When it comes to locating a drone there are several possible ways to do it but none of them are relevant to how a hidden tracker could work.
Thanks. I won't waste my money with an American tech company, producing so called fit and forget micro gps modules that use an App on your internet abled device. I thought it too good to be true. Especially with a tracking service charge of only 5 dollars a month. How gullable am I.
 

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Sorry about my gps ramblings. I got it totally wrong. The modules I was looking at, fit onto a power board. The double watch batteries, are back ups. I'll go give myself a flogging.
 

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So easy to miss read info,i some times have to read about 3/4 times to get my head round things.
 

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Thanks. I won't waste my money with an American tech company, producing so called fit and forget micro gps modules that use an App on your internet abled device. I thought it too good to be true. Especially with a tracking service charge of only 5 dollars a month. How gullable am I.
You're gullible if you believe they will work for ten years off a small watch battery. You're gullible if you think they don't need to connect to the internet or to the mobile network.
You're not gullible if you think such things can and do exist, given a power supply
 
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Cheshire Constabulary is using a new tool to aid the force’s fight against caravan and motorhome thieves.

The VIN CHIP anti-theft identification system enables officers to scan a touring caravan or motorhome from up to 15 metres away to see if it has been reported as stolen and find out who the registered owner is.

They can be scanned at speeds of up to 60mph.

Cheshire’s Roads and Crime Unit officers are now using the system, and owners of touring caravans and motorhomes across the county are being advised to ensure that they have a VIN CHIP fitted and are registered with the Caravan Registration and Identification Scheme (CRiS).

Inspector Anton Sullivan, of the Roads and Crime Unit, said: “Due to supply and demand, the number of caravan and motorhome theft incidents tend to rise in the summer months.

“This year the demand for them is even greater than normal, with travel restrictions imposed due to the coronavirus pandemic making staycations, mobile homes and caravan holidays more popular than ever.

“So we could not have asked for a better time to add the VIN CHIP scanning system to our armoury for when we are out on patrol and monitoring our roads.

“Used by many other police forces in the UK, ports officers and also in mainland Europe and Scandinavia, it has substantially increased the number of stolen caravans and motorhomes that have been recovered and returned to their rightful owner.”

Since 2008 a radio frequency chip containing a unique vehicle identification number (VIN) number has been embedded into all UK-approved touring caravans when they have been made.

Owners of older caravans can have one fitted at a relatively small cost, and owners of caravans made between 2008 and 2016 can pay to have their chip upgraded so that it works as well as the newer ones. This may have an insurance benefit with some companies.

Motorhome owners can also pay to have a VIN CHIP fitted, and some manufacturers are now embedding them into all their new motorhomes.

Insp Sullivan added: “Working like a speed gun, a VIN CHIP scanner enables an officer to quickly see if a caravan or motorhome on the move has been reported as stolen, and who the registered owner is.

“Once a caravan or motorhome has been identified as stolen we will endeavour to bring the thief, or thieves, to justice, and have it returned to its owner.

“Our officers are now using the system to this end across Cheshire.

“However, the system will not work for touring caravan or motorhome theft victims unless they have a VIN CHIP fitted.

“Touring caravan and motorhome owners are advised to have a VIN Chip fitted and to have the vehicle registered with CRiS to help their mobile home be located in the event of it being stolen.

David Keane, Police and Crime Commissioner for Cheshire, said: “I am delighted to hear that Cheshire Constabulary has a new tool to help officers catch caravan and motorhome thieves and recover stolen vehicles.

“Opportunist thieves could not only potentially ruin someone’s staycation but could also put touring caravan and motorhome owners at risk of losing thousands of pounds if their vehicle is stolen.

“I urge all caravan and motorhome owners across the county to follow the advice from Cheshire Constabulary and check the security of their vehicles.”

Anyone with any information or footage regarding the theft of caravans or motorhomes is asked to call Constabulary on 101, give the details via https://www.cheshire.police.uk/ro/report or contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Further security advice for caravan and motorhome owners is available on our website https://www.cheshire.police.uk/news...-tool-to-combat-caravan-and-motorhome-thefts/
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How do I know if I already have one on my motorhome? 2013 model. Any ideas please?
 

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How do I know if I already have one on my motorhome? 2013 model. Any ideas please?
As I understand it these came to market in 2015. There should be stickers on (two of?) the habitation windows, so if fitted to your 2011 after market I’d expect them visible somewhere.
The stickers also have a QR Code so you can see all the Manufacturers data (weight etc) on your phone too. Check the site to see what the stickers look like.
 
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