Veg growers Help

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izwozral said:
Does it have to be veg or can you grow fruit trees instead?
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On the licence and paper work it said fruit and veg so to be grown on this land but as long as it looks green that will do me
 
channa said:
Cannibas and you have a ready made market a drug don in one foul swoop .....what about potatoes they seem easy enough Mariesnowgoose is your person to answer this question

Have you thought about vins ? the work required as and when in France at least pickers come and pick and do the pruning for the following year ...sell to the local co operative creating a bit of income for the area might create a more sympathetic ear to any buildings etc you may erect

Other than watering. the vines didn't seem to need bugger all ...takes a couple of years for fruit to appear .

Channa
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Cannibas what do you think i am .:lol-049: I have enough looking after that at home anyway someone see it and nick it down there :lol-053:
 
You can make all the suggestions you want, folks, but initially most plants will need watering to at least get them established, especially in the mid-summer heat of Spain/Portugal, don't matter whether it be fruit, veg, trees, even cacti.

Although you might get away with prickly pear, but don't know if that's classified as a crop? It's got bl**dy nasty spines on it is all I know! I once smuggled a couple of bits back from Cyprus years ago in a suitcase wrapped in newspaper. Got them rooted & grew like stink as indoor plants, but really, who'd want to?!

I could, of course, offer to stay on Ken's land in my new camper van (when acquired!) and do a bit of gardening & watering for him if all else fails ;) :D

PS Mint needs loads of water Hippy :)

PPS Channa might be right about vines, but again I think they may need some irrigation at first to get them established when newly planted.

PPPS If you look at all the bits of old, uncultivated or neglected farmland that's for sale out there they are usually pretty bare, apart from established trees such as olive, eucalyptus & pine and maybe the odd mature citrus or other fruit tree (apple, pear etc.). It is hard work getting a newly acquired, uncultivated patch of land to become 'green' in a dry, mediterranean climate without TONS OF WATER !!! :D
 
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Weeping Sedge, you will find it very difficult to stop it spreading

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channa said:
Aye but does it have commercial value ?

Channa
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No, except to die hard fans of grass gardens, or some hardy plants people, and even they will say avoid, BUT even if you did want to grow it they like MOIST SOIL!

Let's face it, what Ken really needs is a proper gardener, or at least a nice neighbour who is happy to grow stuff on Ken's land and keep an eye on it ;)
 
How about you get some green paint and offer a cheap place to stay as long as they paint their motorhome green I'm sure you will have a long line of people from here in a week or so making your plot all the more greener :wave: now doning hard hat and hiding behind the sofa :wave:
 
As already said, getting even the least thirsty and toughest of plants/crops established without sufficient watering is virtually impossible. Anyway, could try some of the legumes like lentils some beans, chick peas. Herbs like Lavender, Sage, Thyme, or failing those Hypericum, will help with the aches and pains after the hard work, although some suffer from side effects.
 
best idea is Marie's- offer a neighbour the use of your land to grow some extra crops in exchange for keeping schtumm
 
channa said:
Aye but does it have commercial value ?

Channa
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No it's a blasted monster that a neighbor has.

During the warm weather I am going round with weed killer every week.

I think it was produced by the weed killer manufacturers.

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watchthis said:
Hi Ken
I have got some Artichokes in my garden. I do not eat them I put them in for there foliage. I don't look after them and don't water them...apart from the first year. They grow to about 3-4 foot high and the plant is quite big. they come up every year without fail....just a thought. Good luck with your plans.
Bye for now
Freddie:D
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I assume Freddie's is meaning globe artichokes.good idea but also you could put in Jerusalem artichokes as they grow really easily, look pretty impressive like sunflowers and multiply. Good for the ground and if you don't want to eat them, any neighbours with pigs would use them! 5kgs would fill a reasonable sized patch and need little care or water.
Another plant which looks green and cultivated is those tall cabbage plants Couve galega that are seen everywhere in portugal. Just keep growing as long as you chop the heads off every now and then!
Obviously all these would benefit from a watering system in the summer, but we planted the artichokes for the same reason as you and only watered them for the time we were on the land...about six weeks in winter / spring. Incidentally, be aware that if a neighbour uses your land for more than seven years it can be claimed as theirs! But I guess you wouldn't be letting anyone use it exclusively!!
 
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I know down in Fuengirola they have orange trees growing in the streets along the shops,

the oranges don't taste any good but they don't seem to be watered.

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Japanese KNOTWEED grows anywhere and just about impossible to kill. Lots of green leaves and spreads like wild fire.

Grow what the locals grow. Olives , Grapes and Weeds

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How about growing some van height plants?? Once established they'll act as camouflage. The orange trees growing along the streets of Malaga look about the perfect height, and as mentioned, get the neighbours to care and harvest them. Win, win:banana:
 
Sweetcorn may be worth a try. Once you get them established they should row to a decent height and may even give you some reasonable cobs. At any rate they would give the impression of a serious attempt to grow produce without too much outlay.
 
Astro turf?

Seriously though, my wife suggested Lavender as a crop to grow in dry soils and can be sold to produce essential oils. Mariesnowgoose could probably advise if this is feasible?
 
Robmac said:
Astro turf?

Seriously though, my wife suggested Lavender as a crop to grow in dry soils and can be sold to produce essential oils. Mariesnowgoose could probably advise if this is feasible?
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Yes, lavender is good and it already grows as a wild plant in Portugal, so there's your indicator! There are lots of different varieties, some may fare better than others in the Portuguese climate, depending where exactly you are.

You might be able to get away without watering it initially until it gets established, but I somehow doubt it. You will be very lucky if it does - deliberately planting stuff where you want it to grow always requires a lot more water to start with than something that has naturally seeded itself.

Sorry, Ken, but looking after land in any way, shape or form always requires hard work to start with (and ongoing!) and a water supply.

Like Nigel said, find a neighbour who might want to make use of the land to grow stuff when you're not there (or even when you are!)

Go stay on your land for a few weeks initially, get stuff planted asap while you're there and set up a regime for watering religiously every day until you leave. Then ask a friendly neighbour to keep an eye. If it was me I'd also let them have whatever crop(s) you decide to grow and, even better, I'd be asking their advice on the best plants to grow on it in the first place.

After all, you really just want to use the land as a park up/relax place & not bothered about growing anything yourself, and this would seem to be the best way to get round what the authorities require.

Mind you, I'd give my eye teeth for a wee plot of land out there I COULD grow stuff on!
 
mariesnowgoose said:
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Mind you, I'd give my eye teeth for a wee plot of land out there I COULD grow stuff on!
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And you promised I could be your apprentice !!! (What do you mean you don't remember)

A friends patch in Portugal. Lynn really does live the" good life" on my friends list Marie have a gander

Channa

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