mrbadger
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Aint nobody gonna Cull Me!!!
donkey too
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I have just had an interesting mail from a woman friend of mine who is following this thread. So rather than comment on it myself I will copy it here:
Hi,
I was tempted to reply to one member who said they should all be killed because they pass on TB to cattle When I lived at the hospital in London for 4 months I had many conversations with the nurses and doctors and they told me that YB was rife in white chapel because of the foreigners (men in dresses) you know who I mean, they spit everywhere and caused the outbreak of tb what would your member do to them?
Love x
The discusting habit of spitting in the street was made illegal years ago because of the pread of TB. I myself well remember the notices in public places warning of the consequences of spitting. In some places in the Welsh Valleys those notices are still displayed.
Now that law still stands, so why does plod allow the youth of today who seem to spit between every two words they say get away with it? And before any one mantions it. I do not hold with "The police have more important things to do" or "low priority" etc. Plod is out in force every week end on my local market place, in fact this is the only time you see them. They stand around chatting and laughing with the local yob culture. watching these yobs spitting and say nothing at all. and on another theme, A lot of these yobs are from our local junior school, I know as I see them and regularly have them damageing my property on their way to school. So what are children this age doing out in town at 11, 12, and later of a week end and what are the police doing allowing it. Exactly nowt.
fftopic: Sorry rant over .
Hi,
I was tempted to reply to one member who said they should all be killed because they pass on TB to cattle When I lived at the hospital in London for 4 months I had many conversations with the nurses and doctors and they told me that YB was rife in white chapel because of the foreigners (men in dresses) you know who I mean, they spit everywhere and caused the outbreak of tb what would your member do to them?
Love x
The discusting habit of spitting in the street was made illegal years ago because of the pread of TB. I myself well remember the notices in public places warning of the consequences of spitting. In some places in the Welsh Valleys those notices are still displayed.
Now that law still stands, so why does plod allow the youth of today who seem to spit between every two words they say get away with it? And before any one mantions it. I do not hold with "The police have more important things to do" or "low priority" etc. Plod is out in force every week end on my local market place, in fact this is the only time you see them. They stand around chatting and laughing with the local yob culture. watching these yobs spitting and say nothing at all. and on another theme, A lot of these yobs are from our local junior school, I know as I see them and regularly have them damageing my property on their way to school. So what are children this age doing out in town at 11, 12, and later of a week end and what are the police doing allowing it. Exactly nowt.
fftopic: Sorry rant over .Channa
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would this be the same government who were elected with well less than 50 percent of the vote;
it just strikes me it is all a bit patronising;
lets have a referendum,,,,,, how about a true referendum for PR which truly reflects the electorates mood
then refrendum re countryside etc
channa
sean rua
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Donkey Two
That's interesting about the law on spitting. I worked in the pits in South Wales when i was young, and never knew that spitting was illegal!
I think a lot of the modern day "cult spitting" stems from the soccer field, where the behaviour of our highly-paid role models is aped to the hilt. It seems to be the done thing to spit when the camera zooms in following some incident.
That said, I'm pretty sure that an old rough pub in Newport ( now in Gwent) had sawdust on the floor for spitters. Name was something like the " Lost Found Out" and it was a scrumpy drinkers' boozer.
To be frank, as a youngster before I ever travelled to that part of the world, I used to admire the old timers who could all do some fantastic big "spit-outs".
It was quite an art and like twist chewing and whistling is now a thing of the past. I remember secretly practicing in a field, but could never acomplish the decisive manner of the ould boys.
One old fella could row his boat and give a huge spit over the side every four or five pulls of the oar.
Personally, I think the TB was latent in most of us those days. Sometimes it developed, sometimes it didn't.
Btw, there are loads of other diseases that come with the dairy industry, but, hey, I like milk and cheese and we all have to die of something sometime! :rolleyes2::wacko:
sean rua.
That's interesting about the law on spitting. I worked in the pits in South Wales when i was young, and never knew that spitting was illegal!
I think a lot of the modern day "cult spitting" stems from the soccer field, where the behaviour of our highly-paid role models is aped to the hilt. It seems to be the done thing to spit when the camera zooms in following some incident.
That said, I'm pretty sure that an old rough pub in Newport ( now in Gwent) had sawdust on the floor for spitters. Name was something like the " Lost Found Out" and it was a scrumpy drinkers' boozer.
To be frank, as a youngster before I ever travelled to that part of the world, I used to admire the old timers who could all do some fantastic big "spit-outs".
It was quite an art and like twist chewing and whistling is now a thing of the past. I remember secretly practicing in a field, but could never acomplish the decisive manner of the ould boys.
One old fella could row his boat and give a huge spit over the side every four or five pulls of the oar.
Personally, I think the TB was latent in most of us those days. Sometimes it developed, sometimes it didn't.
Btw, there are loads of other diseases that come with the dairy industry, but, hey, I like milk and cheese and we all have to die of something sometime! :rolleyes2::wacko:
sean rua.
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has our obsession with hygene in effect reduced our immune system to cope with germs and bugs
for years as an example folk drunk milk that wasnt pasteurised
supermarkets are full of produce out of season shipped here from around the world;
even fish shops are selling pangassi ;;;;and tbh god knows when caught and frozen considering it lives in vietnam ;;;;;;;months,,
the downfall will be man
channa
for years as an example folk drunk milk that wasnt pasteurised
supermarkets are full of produce out of season shipped here from around the world;
even fish shops are selling pangassi ;;;;and tbh god knows when caught and frozen considering it lives in vietnam ;;;;;;;months,,
the downfall will be man
channa
Teffy
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Signed the petition, the whole thing makes my blood boil. It was possible to prevent TB in people without culling them so it must be possible to prevent TB in animals. Nothing to do with farmer's profits, of course.
RE people spitting, I remember when I was very young before there was universal vaccination for TB, there were signs in buses and other public places forbidding spitting. I would very much like to see this brought back!
RE people spitting, I remember when I was very young before there was universal vaccination for TB, there were signs in buses and other public places forbidding spitting. I would very much like to see this brought back!
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I aree Rubbertramp.
I was staying on a farm in Talabont on Usk and the farmer told me the Badgers fed from the same trough as the cattle which were on the floor.
I told a guy from the local Badger protection league and he said all the farmer ad to do was lift the troughs out of the badgers reach.
Viktor
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There is a No Spitting in a public place bylaw in place for most council areas....it's just that it has become to be seen as trivial and not worth pursuing in court due to the cost to the public purse to impose at best a paltry fine....it should be brought into the fixed penalty scheme and a ticket issued -'instantly fine' the offender....I bet that would cut it down significantly.
donkey too
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TB threat grows in Britain
Medical experts are warning about the developing threat of tuberculosis (TB) in Britain, and especially in London.
The Annual Public Health Report 2000/2001 produced by the East London & The City Health Authority highlights some of the conditions that have enabled TB to take a hold. Entitled “Health in the East End,”
Infectious diseases thrive in times of social and environmental upheaval — TB reached its (initial) peak during the industrial revolution. We have just completed the most barbaric century in recorded history,7 human migration is unprecedented,8 and climate change is a reality. Several factors are catalysing the re-emergence of TB: first, the advent of HIV,9 coupled with the huge reservoir of latent TB infection (one-third of the world is estimated to be infected); second, rising levels of multiple drug resistance, stemming from inconsistent antibiotic use and treatment non-completion; and third, disruption arising from conflicts, widening social inequalities and disrupted health systems.
The rise of TB in the UK continues: the annual UK figures from the Health Protection Agency show an 11% increase in cases for 2005 with the majority of the 8113 total occurring in young adults (61% between ages 15–44 years) and in the non-UK born population (72%)10. Notification rates of TB in east London have exceeded 100/100 000 population which is approaching the average for India as a whole.11 Nine per cent of UK cases are resistant to at least one first-line drug. Treatment completion rates at 79% are below the 85% target in the Chief Medical Officer's Action Plan.12 Death is the commonest reason for not completing treatment in patients aged over 45 years, notably among white UK-born men.10 The NHS has recently focused efforts on improving chronic disease management, but these data, and other problem infectious diseases — HIV, hepatitis C, sexually transmitted diseases — suggest they are ignored at our peril.
To stereotype TB as a disease of foreign-born people is unwise and clinically inaccurate. TB remains first a disease linked to poverty and social exclusion.13 North east London's ongoing outbreak of isoniazid-resistant TB has reached 292 cases, is the largest in Europe, and is focused on prisoners and crack cocaine abusers rather than a specific ethnic minority group (G Bothamley, personal communication, 2007). That two-thirds of TB cases occur in people born abroad suggests that migration is a factor, but to say that migrants bring TB to the UK is an oversimplification. In eight out of 10 cases active TB is diagnosed 2 years or more after their arrival in the UK, suggesting that factors related to migration predispose to reactivation of latent TB infection.10 These might be nutritional, stress-related or environmental, such as suboptimal housing or overcrowding once in the UK. Interestingly, vitamin D levels fall after migration to the UK and vitamin D deficiency is an independent risk factor for TB.14 Vitamin D was used as a treatment in the pre-antibiotic era (as was sunbathing or ‘heliotherapy’)15,16 and recent data show the vitamin induces innate immunity to Mycobacterium tuberculosis.17
Funny I didn't know there were that many cowsw or badgers in LONDON. I am sure that very little untreated dairy products are consumed in that place iether. I have also never heard of a farmer catching TB.
Medical experts are warning about the developing threat of tuberculosis (TB) in Britain, and especially in London.
The Annual Public Health Report 2000/2001 produced by the East London & The City Health Authority highlights some of the conditions that have enabled TB to take a hold. Entitled “Health in the East End,”
Infectious diseases thrive in times of social and environmental upheaval — TB reached its (initial) peak during the industrial revolution. We have just completed the most barbaric century in recorded history,7 human migration is unprecedented,8 and climate change is a reality. Several factors are catalysing the re-emergence of TB: first, the advent of HIV,9 coupled with the huge reservoir of latent TB infection (one-third of the world is estimated to be infected); second, rising levels of multiple drug resistance, stemming from inconsistent antibiotic use and treatment non-completion; and third, disruption arising from conflicts, widening social inequalities and disrupted health systems.
The rise of TB in the UK continues: the annual UK figures from the Health Protection Agency show an 11% increase in cases for 2005 with the majority of the 8113 total occurring in young adults (61% between ages 15–44 years) and in the non-UK born population (72%)10. Notification rates of TB in east London have exceeded 100/100 000 population which is approaching the average for India as a whole.11 Nine per cent of UK cases are resistant to at least one first-line drug. Treatment completion rates at 79% are below the 85% target in the Chief Medical Officer's Action Plan.12 Death is the commonest reason for not completing treatment in patients aged over 45 years, notably among white UK-born men.10 The NHS has recently focused efforts on improving chronic disease management, but these data, and other problem infectious diseases — HIV, hepatitis C, sexually transmitted diseases — suggest they are ignored at our peril.
To stereotype TB as a disease of foreign-born people is unwise and clinically inaccurate. TB remains first a disease linked to poverty and social exclusion.13 North east London's ongoing outbreak of isoniazid-resistant TB has reached 292 cases, is the largest in Europe, and is focused on prisoners and crack cocaine abusers rather than a specific ethnic minority group (G Bothamley, personal communication, 2007). That two-thirds of TB cases occur in people born abroad suggests that migration is a factor, but to say that migrants bring TB to the UK is an oversimplification. In eight out of 10 cases active TB is diagnosed 2 years or more after their arrival in the UK, suggesting that factors related to migration predispose to reactivation of latent TB infection.10 These might be nutritional, stress-related or environmental, such as suboptimal housing or overcrowding once in the UK. Interestingly, vitamin D levels fall after migration to the UK and vitamin D deficiency is an independent risk factor for TB.14 Vitamin D was used as a treatment in the pre-antibiotic era (as was sunbathing or ‘heliotherapy’)15,16 and recent data show the vitamin induces innate immunity to Mycobacterium tuberculosis.17
Funny I didn't know there were that many cowsw or badgers in LONDON. I am sure that very little untreated dairy products are consumed in that place iether. I have also never heard of a farmer catching TB.
sean rua
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I have never seen a badger in London, but there are hundreds of foxes there, and what a mess they make!
Fox poo is bad but badger poo is worse.
Farmers get all sorts of respiratory diseases, including "farmer's lung", "leptospyrosis", and" brucellosis". The symptoms are like having flu all the time.
What I'm uncertain about is whether TB is water borne or not? If so, maybe we had better look more at the watercourses, including the poor old Thames.
Cause and effect are always difficult to ascertain. When i had my accident ( in a tunnel in Dagenham) the company's legal team maintained that all my ill-effects could easily stem from previous injuries and previous exposure to harmful substances.
Despite the digital read-out alarm having gone into the "fatal zone" on its scale. and, despite medical reports from their own in-house medical centre logging various incidents and injuries on site, they were able to make this evidence disappear into thin air before we ever got to court!
It was a lesson I'll never forget: documentation is needed to cover every step under English law.
The TB and badgers issue will trundle on and on, imo. Some parties will make a lot of money from it, I dare say.
sean rua.
Fox poo is bad but badger poo is worse.
Farmers get all sorts of respiratory diseases, including "farmer's lung", "leptospyrosis", and" brucellosis". The symptoms are like having flu all the time.
What I'm uncertain about is whether TB is water borne or not? If so, maybe we had better look more at the watercourses, including the poor old Thames.
Cause and effect are always difficult to ascertain. When i had my accident ( in a tunnel in Dagenham) the company's legal team maintained that all my ill-effects could easily stem from previous injuries and previous exposure to harmful substances.
Despite the digital read-out alarm having gone into the "fatal zone" on its scale. and, despite medical reports from their own in-house medical centre logging various incidents and injuries on site, they were able to make this evidence disappear into thin air before we ever got to court!
It was a lesson I'll never forget: documentation is needed to cover every step under English law.
The TB and badgers issue will trundle on and on, imo. Some parties will make a lot of money from it, I dare say.
sean rua.