The oldest Wildcamper in human history

Somelier said:
Maybe it could be used to forge a malleable lump of metal into something useful?
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Yeah , possibly , but I meant " forge " in the sense of falsifying "instruments of monetary value" ,
or other negotiable documents..... e.g. Luncheon Vouchers
 
That is a very good point Mr Oldtech and one that could possibly excite the historians.

I shall give that idea some thought

Tomorrow
 
Load of poppycock being spouted on here.

He is not Otzi, he is Kevin, a Geordie out for a walk in 1957 and got lost. The posessions make that obvious.
 
Hi Martin , thanks for the encouragement

Martin P said:
could possibly excite the historians.
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Hmm .. maybe .... but I have my doubts.
Sommelier seemed very interested ,for a while , but then suddenly dropped out
of the discussion ....... for no apparent reason !.

Me , I'm just going to finish this bottle of after-shave then call it a night.
My elderly Aunt bought me a half-litre bottle .
It smells revolting but if you hold your nose it's actually quite a pleasant drink
... it seems to have some hallucinogenic properties.
 
Being a proper Wildcamper, he might have been mugged for his radar key:idea:
 
Martin P said:
Yeah but he would have to wait 5000 years to spend them
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Did he die of starvation then??

(Sorry, I can't remember all the details about the case. Maybe it'll be in the next series of "New Tricks"??). :)
 
oldtech said:
Yeah , possibly , but I meant " forge " in the sense of falsifying "instruments of monetary value" ,
or other negotiable documents..... e.g. Luncheon Vouchers
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I know that. Wake up man, you're hours behind!!!!!
 
scampa said:
Did he die of starvation then??

(Sorry, I can't remember all the details about the case. Maybe it'll be in the next series of "New Tricks"??). :)
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There are two side to this thread and I WAS on the serious side as the Ice Man was something that I found fascinating. It seems likely that he was travelling across the high ground when he was caught in a storm and froze to death.

However, the New Tricks team, if given the case will no doubt find witnesses that refute this and they will find the real cause of death despite having to deal with people who have been dead for thousands of years. Of course, Brian will get all their evidence of the internet:wacko::wacko::wacko:
 
Other items found with the Iceman were a copper axe with a yew handle, a flint-bladed knife with an ash handle and a quiver of 14 arrows with viburnum and dogwood shafts. Two of the arrows, which were broken, were tipped with flint and had fletching (stabilizing fins), while the other 12 were unfinished and untipped. The arrows were found in a quiver with what is presumed to be a bow string, an unidentified tool, and an antler tool which might have been used for sharpening arrow points.[SUP][27][/SUP] There was also an unfinished yew longbow that was 1.82 metres (72 in) long.[SUP][28][/SUP]
In addition, among Ötzi's possessions were berries, two birch bark baskets, and two species of polypore mushrooms with leather strings through them. One of these, the birch fungus, is known to have antibacterial properties, and was probably used for medicinal purposes. The other was a type of tinder fungus, included with part of what appeared to be a complex firestarting kit. The kit featured pieces of over a dozen different plants, in addition to flint and pyrite for creating sparks.
Ötzi's copper axe was of particular interest, as it is the only complete prehistoric axe so far discovered.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] The axe's haft is 60 centimetres (24 in) long and made from carefully worked yew with a right-angled crook at the shoulder, leading to the blade. The 9.5 centimetres (3.7 in) long axe head is made of almost pure copper, produced by a combination of casting, cold forging, polishing, and sharpening. It was let into the forked end of the crook and fixed there using birch-tar and tight leather lashing. The blade part of the head extends out of the lashing and shows clear signs of having been used to chop and cut. At the time, such an axe would have been a valuable possession, important both as a tool and as a status symbol for the bearer.[SUP][29][/SUP]
 
With a name like Otzi, he must have had a 'Trangia' in his pouch , surely.
 
wildman said:
Other items found with the Iceman were a copper axe with a yew handle, a flint-bladed knife with an ash handle and a quiver of 14 arrows with viburnum and dogwood shafts. Two of the arrows, which were broken, were tipped with flint and had fletching (stabilizing fins), while the other 12 were unfinished and untipped. The arrows were found in a quiver with what is presumed to be a bow string, an unidentified tool, and an antler tool which might have been used for sharpening arrow points.[SUP][27][/SUP] There was also an unfinished yew longbow that was 1.82 metres (72 in) long.[SUP][28][/SUP]
In addition, among Ötzi's possessions were berries, two birch bark baskets, and two species of polypore mushrooms with leather strings through them. One of these, the birch fungus, is known to have antibacterial properties, and was probably used for medicinal purposes. The other was a type of tinder fungus, included with part of what appeared to be a complex firestarting kit. The kit featured pieces of over a dozen different plants, in addition to flint and pyrite for creating sparks.
Ötzi's copper axe was of particular interest, as it is the only complete prehistoric axe so far discovered.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] The axe's haft is 60 centimetres (24 in) long and made from carefully worked yew with a right-angled crook at the shoulder, leading to the blade. The 9.5 centimetres (3.7 in) long axe head is made of almost pure copper, produced by a combination of casting, cold forging, polishing, and sharpening. It was let into the forked end of the crook and fixed there using birch-tar and tight leather lashing. The blade part of the head extends out of the lashing and shows clear signs of having been used to chop and cut. At the time, such an axe would have been a valuable possession, important both as a tool and as a status symbol for the bearer.[SUP][29][/SUP]
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I don't know where I got 5 arrows from - I was skimming my info very quickly - obviously need new specs!!
 
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Well, well. I knew things would have moved on since my original interest. It seems that further research has shown that he probably died from an arrow wound that caused internal damage and as a result he bled to death. It seems too that he had been involved in close-quarter combat prior to his death.

Thanks, Oasis, for the links.

One thing I hadn't realised - it is more than 10 years since I last looked at the info on Ötzi, it's nearer 20. Blimey, doesn't time fly!!!!
 
Somelier said:
It seems too that he had been involved in close-quarter combat prior to his death.
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CORRECT !

He died as a result of an altercation with the manager of a "Little Chef " restaurant.
It seems that he was trying to pay with forged Luncheon Vouchers :lol-061:

Oldtech
 
But he was never the first anyway. We were preceded by a few hundred millenia by the Neanderthal cave dwellers.:banana:
 
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