Swift bird

[runnach]

I totally agree if a bird can be given a wee helping hand to get back in the air great but sometimes your better not prolonging things. We often get birds hitting the glass on our porch and a couple of weeks ago my misses walked around with a Nuthatch for a couple of hours till it eventually flew off.

Just remember Cale, Swift Lives Matter, not just Nuthatch.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

If that is the case, then that is disgusting and needs to be sorted out once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It can't.

Royal estates are exempt from any investigation into potential wildlife crimes.

The RSPB, other wildlife organisations and the special police who deal with wildlife crimes are not allowed legal access to the estates to investigate under any circumstances whatsoever.

 

[trevskoda]

It can't.

Royal estates are exempt from any investigation into potential wildlife crimes.

The RSPB, other wildlife organisations and the special police who deal with wildlife crimes are not allowed legal access to the estates to investigate under any circumstances whatsoever.

Behead the bu--ers.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Behead the bu--ers.View attachment 111723

This is where Seamus would have made a memorable entry ...!

RIP Seamus

 

[Robmac]

This is where Seamus would have made a memorable entry ...!

RIP Seamus

To be fair Marie. The Royal Family do more for animal conservation than most organisations in the UK.

Seamus was a Royal (and English) hater. Much as I liked him for his wit.

 

[alcam]

It can't.

Royal estates are exempt from any investigation into potential wildlife crimes.

The RSPB, other wildlife organisations and the special police who deal with wildlife crimes are not allowed legal access to the estates to investigate under any circumstances whatsoever.

Yes there was a list published recently of laws which the royal family were exempt from .
Quite astounding.
We are all born equal
My bum !

 

[mariesnowgoose]

To be fair Marie. The Royal Family do more for animal conservation than most organisations in the UK.

Seamus was a Royal (and English) hater. Much as I liked him for his wit.

To be fair they routinely get rid of a fair few protected and endangered raptors on their private estates.

Being a patron of this, that or the other good cause is no excuse for letting anyone off the hook for killing these birds, Royal or not.

I know Seamus was a Royal hater, hence why his entry into the conversation would have been appropriate

 

[Robmac]

To be fair they routinely get rid of a fair few protected and endangered raptors on their private estates.

Being a patron of this, that or the other good cause is no excuse for letting anyone off the hook for killing these birds, Royal or not.

I know Seamus was a Royal hater, hence why his entry into the conversation would have been appropriate

Shoots all over the country by the entitled happen every week Marie. Many Raptors are collateral damage.

The law of the country I'm afraid. Apparently man has the right to strike a balance.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Shoots all over the country by the entitled happen every week Marie. Many Raptors are collateral damage.

The law of the country I'm afraid. Apparently man has the right to strike a balance.

Doesn't make it acceptable though.

And the raptors are killed deliberately, not by accident.

 

[Robmac]

Doesn't make it acceptable though.

And the raptors are killed deliberately, not by accident.

Quite so Marie.

You will never interfere with a rich mans sport. Without their input though, who knows where we would be? Maybe extinction of many game birds?

 

[jagmanx]

Quite so Marie.

You will never interfere with a rich mans sport. Without their input though, who knows where we would be? Maybe extinction of many game birds?

Where are all these "game birds" ?
None in the disco last night !

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Quite so Marie.

You will never interfere with a rich mans sport. Without their input though, who knows where we would be? Maybe extinction of many game birds?

I think many bred-for-the-purpose game birds are already extinguished by rich men in exchange for big wads of cash. Guess you could argue it helps the local economy.

That aside, I seriously doubt whether the small numbers of raptors we have in the UK is a major threat to the modern breeding programs they have on country shooting estates.

I'd like to see any proven evidence of our native raptors seriously affecting their managed game bird population and subsequent profits from the annual shoots. Suspect they would struggle. Foxes, mink etc. are probably more of a problem.

This severe drought we're having is decimating wildlife of all kinds the length and breadth, so any threat from raptors to the estates livelihoods should now be way down the bottom of the priority list. This still won't prevent rogue gamekeepers from continuing to kill them, unfortunately.

 

[Robmac]

I think many bred-for-the-purpose game birds are already extinguished by rich men in exchange for big wads of cash. Guess you could argue it helps the local economy.

That aside, I seriously doubt whether the small numbers of raptors we have in the UK is a major threat to the modern breeding programs they have on country shooting estates.

I'd like to see any proven evidence of our native raptors seriously affecting their managed game bird population and subsequent profits from the annual shoots. Suspect they would struggle. Foxes, mink etc. are probably more of a problem.

This severe drought we're having is decimating wildlife of all kinds the length and breadth, so any threat from raptors to the estates livelihoods should now be way down the bottom of the priority list. This still won't prevent rogue gamekeepers from continuing to kill them, unfortunately.

I will have a chat with my mate who's a gamekeeper tonight Marie and get an opinion from the other side.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I will have a chat with my mate who's a gamekeeper tonight Marie and get an opinion from the other side.

I'm on the side of the raptors every time, Rob, it will make no difference what the gamekeeper says

We stayed for a few days every year with a head gamekeeper (friend of a friend) on a big shooting estate up near Ballater for a few years running back in the 80s. He was entirely responsible for looking after the welfare of the estates game birds and he never, ever have trapped, shot or poisoned any raptors.

It has been a criminal offence since 1954. Your gamekeeper friend will know this. The only relevant thing to know is whether he or the people who pay him wages are lawbreakers.

 

[Robmac]

I'm on the side of the raptors every time, Rob, it will make no difference what the gamekeeper says

We stayed for a few days every year with a head gamekeeper (friend of a friend) on a big shooting estate up near Ballater for a few years running back in the 80s. He was entirely responsible for looking after the welfare of the estates game birds and he never, ever have trapped, shot or poisoned any raptors.

It has been a criminal offence since 1954. Your gamekeeper friend will know this. The only relevant thing to know is whether he or the people who pay him wages are lawbreakers.

I was rather thinking he would be able to tell me whether the practice is still going on Marie.

 

[caledonia]

I think many bred-for-the-purpose game birds are already extinguished by rich men in exchange for big wads of cash. Guess you could argue it helps the local economy.

That aside, I seriously doubt whether the small numbers of raptors we have in the UK is a major threat to the modern breeding programs they have on country shooting estates.

I'd like to see any proven evidence of our native raptors seriously affecting their managed game bird population and subsequent profits from the annual shoots. Suspect they would struggle. Foxes, mink etc. are probably more of a problem.

This severe drought we're having is decimating wildlife of all kinds the length and breadth, so any threat from raptors to the estates livelihoods should now be way down the bottom of the priority list. This still won't prevent rogue gamekeepers from continuing to kill them, unfortunately.

Raptors and Corvids take the young game birds which are easy pickings and couple of hungry Buzzards will soon wipe out a couple of hundred young birds. This is all part of the job but unfortunately some rogue or lazy keepers break the law.
I live on a shooting estate which gave up the gun for the camera to shoot the wildlife 2years ago and it seems to be paying off. This seems to be happening a lot more as smaller estates struggle to make a living.

 

[Robmac]

I was rather thinking he would be able to tell me whether the practice is still going on Marie.

I never got to see my gamekeeper mate last night so it will have to wait for now.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Interesting. I never realised they imported game birds for shooting.

 

[runnach]

Interesting. I never realised they imported game birds for shooting.

Been going on for decades, most come from the old eastern bloc countries.

 

[trevskoda]

To be fair Marie. The Royal Family do more for animal conservation than most organisations in the UK.

Seamus was a Royal (and English) hater. Much as I liked him for his wit.

You do know that is not the real royal family, the real ones live in auz.