ellisboy
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Nice van twosugars I also have a t4 they are great for wild camping and we never get bothered either 
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twosugars
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not the biggest van in the world, i wouldn't like to try full timing in it. but big enough for the average long weekend. had a two week road trip round wales and the west country last summer - good fun
i thought about alloys but then if you have too many shiny bits on your van it draws too much attention from theiving little toerags . i went for the smaller van without grills, water connections etc because i feel it doesn't scream "campervan!, quick, phone the council!!" and its easier to tuck yourself away out of sight.
handy for my other interest as well,
i thought about alloys but then if you have too many shiny bits on your van it draws too much attention from theiving little toerags . i went for the smaller van without grills, water connections etc because i feel it doesn't scream "campervan!, quick, phone the council!!" and its easier to tuck yourself away out of sight.
handy for my other interest as well,
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Very discreet!
On the subject of stealth camping with a canoe, here's our alternative set-up - an unconverted Renault Kangoo car plus classic sailing canoe (constructed to McGregor Victorian design): SMALLIMGP0872.jpg (image)
For camping trips, the rear seat is folded down and a wooden-framed bed arrangement added. Curtain screens are looped onto the windows and cooking is via a small camping gaz stove. It's basic but dry and comfortable and looks just like any other parked car at the waterside.
The converted Kangoo-Roo is the same size but better-fitted out for camping and I've been more than comfortable living in it for a few weeks at a time. Motorhomes don't need to be huge or luxurious and part of the fun and enjoyment, for me at least, is improvising.
On the subject of stealth camping with a canoe, here's our alternative set-up - an unconverted Renault Kangoo car plus classic sailing canoe (constructed to McGregor Victorian design): SMALLIMGP0872.jpg (image)
For camping trips, the rear seat is folded down and a wooden-framed bed arrangement added. Curtain screens are looped onto the windows and cooking is via a small camping gaz stove. It's basic but dry and comfortable and looks just like any other parked car at the waterside.
The converted Kangoo-Roo is the same size but better-fitted out for camping and I've been more than comfortable living in it for a few weeks at a time. Motorhomes don't need to be huge or luxurious and part of the fun and enjoyment, for me at least, is improvising.
s1n86d
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Nice vans.
Here's mine. A Wellhouse Leisure converted Toyota, had many trips up to 2 weeks, you have to be organised, I admit not the comforts of the larger M/hs, but no problems parking anywhere.
take care
Bill
Here's mine. A Wellhouse Leisure converted Toyota, had many trips up to 2 weeks, you have to be organised, I admit not the comforts of the larger M/hs, but no problems parking anywhere.
take care
Bill
s1n86d
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I'd have trouble getting in and out of that, does it have a chair lift
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They are subject to VAT, Indeed every vehicle you purchase has a VAT element except on second hand vehicles it is the dealer that pays VAT on margin.
This is often the reason when buying a car etc, the figures on the invoice are reduced leaving the same balance to exchange.
The only time there is no VAT is if you buy off someone not vat registered, which will never happen with a dealer group because it is based upon turnover.
At one time of course if windows were fitted to a commercial van one was subject to car tax, but thankfully that disappeared years ago
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Not looking like a motorhome can be a huge qasset on continent where nosy pokers do not abound. In my 50 years motorhoming-campervanning ( I have 2 did moment-a very very old classic ( 35 in '10) hymer merc mit 4 speed 204-yes 204 motor and a Renault kangoo lift off campervan for quickie travel ( and especially for traversing uk: I have NEVER, EVER been on a uk site -and never never will.
de 'ting is there are now tens and tens of thousands motorhomes and while most Europe (except the rapacious, greedy, nasty anti- motorhoming, anti non-site camping Dutch) is still motorhome friendly, he sheer pressure of vehicles trying to park in all the nicest view sites is predictably ringing restrictions in its wake. Thankfully, there are alternatives just about everywhere and aires profilerate-many of them free overnight.
Unsurprisingly, the Dutch (with the belgians-the best coachbuilders in the world) are leading the way in the "camper-wot camper" stakes: u need to know what to look for and where!
Old stagers like me will know that motorhomes have a huge sex drive- the moment one sees another, they want to get together and before you know it, you are in the midst of a group orgy!
But the presence of a nondescript vehicle is no guarantee it is a suitable place to wild-camp or overnight! I mean, it could just be a mate of mine 's drains clearing wagon! (he is working on a stink machine at the moment... should be very interesting....)
Yes: a pair of windows behind the cab, light proof curtainsventilation and egress for kitchen fumes, etc on the roof (consider how best to ventilate the fridge?)and you too can be inconspicous!
I've managed quite a lot in Holland with the old Hymer : using urban residential on-street parking,occasional cmmuter rail stations( like returning on the last train) leaving the front (cab) windows unshuttered-cab-saloon curtain drawn,(rear windows are slightly darkened) and keep the lights off (or have really efficent blackout)-this works best in non short winter night conditions.
Keeping the roof down in the kangoo works well too: if it's really necessary to be incognito but it is so small it is much less conspicous :even with the roof up-or half way up: my ply insert additions ( fabric is no bloody good in winter) actually looks like it's permanent, especially with the solar panel on the lift part visible.
Best of all, however, is knowing just where to park-up and that comes best from decades of experience.
Not looking like a motorhome can be a huge qasset on continent where nosy pokers do not abound. In my 50 years motorhoming-campervanning ( I have 2 did moment-a very very old classic ( 35 in '10) hymer merc mit 4 speed 204-yes 204 motor and a Renault kangoo lift off campervan for quickie travel ( and especially for traversing uk: I have NEVER, EVER been on a uk site -and never never will.
de 'ting is there are now tens and tens of thousands motorhomes and while most Europe (except the rapacious, greedy, nasty anti- motorhoming, anti non-site camping Dutch) is still motorhome friendly, he sheer pressure of vehicles trying to park in all the nicest view sites is predictably ringing restrictions in its wake. Thankfully, there are alternatives just about everywhere and aires profilerate-many of them free overnight.
Unsurprisingly, the Dutch (with the belgians-the best coachbuilders in the world) are leading the way in the "camper-wot camper" stakes: u need to know what to look for and where!
Old stagers like me will know that motorhomes have a huge sex drive- the moment one sees another, they want to get together and before you know it, you are in the midst of a group orgy!
But the presence of a nondescript vehicle is no guarantee it is a suitable place to wild-camp or overnight! I mean, it could just be a mate of mine 's drains clearing wagon! (he is working on a stink machine at the moment... should be very interesting....)
Yes: a pair of windows behind the cab, light proof curtainsventilation and egress for kitchen fumes, etc on the roof (consider how best to ventilate the fridge?)and you too can be inconspicous!
I've managed quite a lot in Holland with the old Hymer : using urban residential on-street parking,occasional cmmuter rail stations( like returning on the last train) leaving the front (cab) windows unshuttered-cab-saloon curtain drawn,(rear windows are slightly darkened) and keep the lights off (or have really efficent blackout)-this works best in non short winter night conditions.
Keeping the roof down in the kangoo works well too: if it's really necessary to be incognito but it is so small it is much less conspicous :even with the roof up-or half way up: my ply insert additions ( fabric is no bloody good in winter) actually looks like it's permanent, especially with the solar panel on the lift part visible.
Best of all, however, is knowing just where to park-up and that comes best from decades of experience.
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kangooroo
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Great to see another Kangoo Roo owner here on the forum - you have the same model as mine (even the same colour!).
Do you have a pic of your roof adaptations with the ply? You're right, the fabric is useless. I was about to line it with bubble-foil insulation but am interested to see what you've done with your plywood.