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No matter how long they live in a house they are still considered ethnicaly as travellers.

They don't cease to be travellers. Anyone who is not born into this group no matter how long they have been on the road is never considered for ethnicity perposes as a traveller.



John

Your definitions are confused. There is no such thing as being "considered ethnically as travellers". Travellers are legally defined IRRESPECTIVE OF ETHNICITY as I have pointed out several times. You do not have to be born into any group to get yourself defined as a traveller for legal purposes.

I have had many an intereting conversation with you John but you are guilty of perpetuating a myth here.
 
Your definitions are confused. There is no such thing as being "considered ethnically as travellers". Travellers are legally defined IRRESPECTIVE OF ETHNICITY as I have pointed out several times. You do not have to be born into any group to get yourself defined as a traveller for legal purposes.

I have had many an intereting conversation with you John but you are guilty of perpetuating a myth here.

We will agree to differ on this one John.
 
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Realised after posting that it would only be available to those who subscribe.
Worth reading if you can find a copy.
 
We will agree to differ on this one John.

On matters of opinion that is always a good way to leave it but I have to point out that this is not a matter of opinion - it is a matter of legal definition. The statutes are very precisely worded and I'm afraid you got it wrong.
 
What is the difference between somebody who lives all of their lives as a traveller by choice & any of us who decides to live part time by choice as a traveller :rolleyes: . We all require the same things such as a safe place to park without being troubled, access to water & emptying. I am not arguing about points of law or legal definitions just making a point, whatever our views are on the travelling community good or bad. When we retired we considered renting out our house & going full timing. After a few trips we came to conclusion that we liked trips of about 3 months then have a break to plan our next trip & this is what we do. For the 3 months we are touring are we not travellers in any definition of the term :confused: We are having to live with whatever we packed, we have no permanent home (until we return) so shouldn't this give us the right to be labeled as travellers with all the perks (if there are any :rolleyes:)
 
Where do I stand in all this then?

I travelled for over 20 years to a lot of countries.

I have lived in tents in the bush and even shipping containers (not much fun living in a metal box, close to the Equator).

For all of that I am still an ethnic Northerner and regularly pilloried by stuck up posh Southerners (yes you dezi). :p

I need JohnH to give a judgement on this. You know John, the man who can start an argument in an empty house. :D:D
 
What is the difference between somebody who lives all of their lives as a traveller by choice & any of us who decides to live part time by choice as a traveller

Legally, absolutely nothing at all.
 
Where do I stand in all this then?

I travelled for over 20 years to a lot of countries.

I have lived in tents in the bush and even shipping containers (not much fun living in a metal box, close to the Equator).

For all of that I am still an ethnic Northerner and regularly pilloried by stuck up posh Southerners (yes you dezi). :p

I need JohnH to give a judgement on this. You know John, the man who can start an argument in an empty house. :D:D

Sorry, Maingate, but there is a specific exemption in the Race Relations Act for Northerners, so I can call you a flat-capped, wippet-loving northern git and no one can touch me for it. Hope that clears things up!
 
Travelling people,am i one ?

What's the difference between a European traveller and a ...UK one ?
Still a little confused too, as to be a ' traveller ' is it to be without a house and ' full time' on the road,or part time,or part time with a house ?

As you can see,there are a few deffinitions that should be cleared up,and defined.
On holiday mate ?
Living in motorhome Sir ?
Are you a gypsie,sorry i said that,racial protection and all that.

Is there ...Welsh Gypsies ? I have a 'welsh kilt' ,will i be able to 'find my roots' withcertain privalages ?
 
What's the difference between a European traveller and a ...UK one ?
Still a little confused too, as to be a ' traveller ' is it to be without a house and ' full time' on the road,or part time,or part time with a house ?

As you can see,there are a few deffinitions that should be cleared up,and defined.
On holiday mate ?
Living in motorhome Sir ?
Are you a gypsie,sorry i said that,racial protection and all that.

Is there ...Welsh Gypsies ? I have a 'welsh kilt' ,will i be able to 'find my roots' withcertain privalages ?


No idea about the definitions of "traveller" in other countries - the only law I know about is English. However, there is a confusion that needs to be cleared up and that is the difference between "traveller" and "Gypsy".

A "Traveller" is defined, legally, as I have said above and is independent of race or origin - in order to be classed as a traveller you simply have to claim a nomadic lifestyle. Some people who live in houses most of the time may claim a nomadic lifestyle; others who travel a lot may not claim one - it is up to the individual.

"Gypsy", on the other hand, is a statement of ethnicity and has nothing necessarily to do with travelling. Some gypsies travel; others don't. I, for example, could claim to be a traveller but not a gypsy.

The two terms are totally distinct but are often grouped together, thus causing confusion.
 
Quote: I wouldn't say that you and your wife would be considered Travellers in any legal case, as you have only a distant heritage.

Kind regards
Emma Nuttall
Advice & Policy Manager

We live full time in our motorhome, my wifes aunt was an Irish Traveller. I rest my case.

John
 
Quote: I wouldn't say that you and your wife would be considered Travellers in any legal case, as you have only a distant heritage.

Kind regards
Emma Nuttall
Advice & Policy Manager

We live full time in our motorhome, my wifes aunt was an Irish Traveller. I rest my case.

John

Who is Emma Nutall, what was the question she was asked and when was she asked it? The current legislation was determined in 2004 and is as I described it.
 
Who is Emma Nutall, what was the question she was asked and when was she asked it? The current legislation was determined in 2004 and is as I described it.

Question: My Great Grandfather, of Irish origin, had a small holding where he used to over-winter Irish Tinker/Traveller families. My wifes Great Great Aunt was a Irish Tinker. Does that give us rights to be considered as "Travellers".

I lived full time in caravans for 9 years of my working life. The rest of the time I was brick based. Does that give me some claim to be considered as a "Traveler"?

This was addressed to the Charity Friends, Families and Travellers
We seek to end racism and discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers, whatever their ethnicity, culture or background, whether settled or mobile, and to protect the right to pursue a nomadic way of life. Registered Charity: 111 2326

Date 1st November 2010.

2nd November 2010
Hi John

Yes we do get an email now and again from people such as yourself living in motorhomes full time.

As a charity though we are only funded to work with people who fall under the definition of a Traveller, and they are the people whom our funders fund us to work with on issues such as addressing inequalities, discrimination and social exclusion.
Kind regards
Emma

John
 
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Question: My Great Grandfather, of Irish origin, had a small holding where he used to over-winter Irish Tinker/Traveller families. My wifes Great Great Aunt was a Irish Tinker. Does that give us rights to be considered as "Travellers".

I lived full time in caravans for 9 years of my working life. The rest of the time I was brick based. Does that give me some claim to be considered as a "Traveler"?

This was addressed to the Charity Friends, Families and Travellers


Date 1st November 2010.



John

It seems to me from reading through their website that their definition, for purposes of the charity, may be different from the legal definition as I described. In other words, if you wanted to claim legal status as a traveller then the charity wouldn't get involved. But the law itself is surprisingly clear and it is that a Traveller is someone who claims a nomadic lifestyle. However, it could be said that the whole debate is academic because there are no significant legal advantages to be had from being classed as a traveller!
 

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