Self builder woes.

This raises a couple of questions Ral.

1) Surely 'We buy any car/van/bike/Motorhome' should only make payments to the account of the registered keeper?

2) Had he sent off the 'New Keepers' slip to the DVLA would it be flagged as stolen on their database?
 
A good solicitor will get him his money back from the dealer as he should have looked into this and he is the point of sale, plus compo for all the stress he has been put through will get him extra dosh to buy a better van, id be looking at least 5 grand compo.
 
You don’t even need the change of keeper section apparently, I too bought a van this week and the whole thing took place online and all within a few minutes, private seller notified DVLA online giving my name as new owner, immediately I got a Email from the DVLA telling me I’d receive a new V5 within 2 weeks And I was able to tax it online too,neither of us signed a thing, I did HPI it but even that wouldn’t have helped Izwozral as it wasn’t reported stolen (if it really was stolen) he MUST have recompense against the dealer as he followed every rule in the book, if not it leaves a lot of opportunity for fraud.
 
A mate bought a stolen from a dealer he was allowed to keep it because he bought it from reputable dealer good luck .
 
As in most things in life nowadays it is all too easy to get shafted and those who do the shafting are untouchable unless you are prepared to fight damn hard.
The guy on the vid 'should' get his money back from the dealer he bought it from but it could be a uphill struggle.
Good luck to the guy.
 
Trading standards, solicitor no prob with money, and the police can have the dealer, he sold it without checking.
If he had bought private then all would be lost, happened to someone I know, and that was after all checks done, 6 weeks later cops at door, BMW lost along with 12 grand.
 
Pertinant question: do we, as ordinary Joe Bloggs, have the means to find out for ourselves if a vehicle is stolen? 🤔
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Pertinant question: do we, as ordinary Joe Bloggs, have the means to find out for ourselves if a vehicle is stolen? 🤔
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I believe so, if you do one of the online checks it should come up as stolen if it has been recorded as such with the police.
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Pertinant question: do we, as ordinary Joe Bloggs, have the means to find out for ourselves if a vehicle is stolen? 🤔
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Yes there are plenty places online you can do checks with, provided that the vehicle has been reported stolen,
This happened to me about 25 years ago, someone turned up at my yard with a Mazda pickup truck,
He had the mot, v5 and both sets of keys for the vehicle.
I did a HPI check it all came back as clear of finance and not accident damaged or stolen so I paid the man for it.
A couple of days later I sold the pick up on a month or so later the person I sold the vehicle to got stopped for speeding, when it came to light that the vehicle had been stolen.
whilst the owner was on holiday his house was burgled and the keys and documents for the vehicle had been taken and the vehicle, but wasn’t reported stolen until the owner got back off his holiday 2 weeks later.
So I paid the money back to the person I had sold it to, but the original owner not only got his pickup back in better condition than it was, as I had replaced a broken spring and a few other jobs That needed doing.
But he wanted me to pay for his loss of wages whilst he was without his pickup,which i refused to do as I was the innocent party and already out of pocket by £5,000,
The owner instructed solicitors, it ended up in court and lost so with his solicitor fees my solicitor fees and his compensation I ended up another £10,000 out of pocket,
So yes the guy will get his money back from the dealer unless the dealer declares bankruptcy
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Pertinant question: do we, as ordinary Joe Bloggs, have the means to find out for ourselves if a vehicle is stolen? 🤔
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In this guy's case it had not been reported stolen at point of sale also spoke to the DVLA who stated everything was clear. When we bought our van I did a vehicle check a couple of days before collecting and found there was 35k still on hp, the lady believed ( genuinely) she could sell then pay the van off but not when your dealing with my Mary Doll 😉 after speaking to the hp company she had the girl sign everything over to us took her to the bank and had her pay the hp off we then waited for a call from the HP company to say we were able to continue with the purchase. Luckily the lady owned a chip shop on the shore so we had nice fish n chips waiting on the call. 😀
 
From what I gather the fault lies with we buy any van, they initiated this whole process and ultimately they must be held accountable, and I would have thought their reputation is at stake here, surely their reputation is valuable to them, and they should do the decent thing. As Rob says whose account did they transfer the money to, and if not the name and address of the keeper then their procedures need altering. I hope this poor guy gets justice, and being a naive optimist, I think he will.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
no chance on this one, sold before it was even known to have gone, with friends like that who needs enemas.
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And there is the crux of the matter. Until a vehicle is reported as stolen then no one knows it’s stolen, and the system will not register it as stolen. So carrying out a check was useless here. The fault lies squarely on who bought this van from the thief. Why did a so called reputable company buy a car from Joe Bloggs without Checking that the person they were dealing with was the owner. And why did we buy any van then compound their negligence buy transferring the money into an account with a different name than that registered. I am astounded that people experienced in such matters should have allowed this to happen, and this poor guy is the victim of their lack of due diligence.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
Whilst the company may be experienced, the person who did the deal may have just started.
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Yes Pudsey I agree, but then they are responsible for the actions of their employees. And surely procedures should or would have been in place. It appears either that they were not, unlikely you would think, or not followed as seems likely. Bottom line this poor guy did everything right, they did not, and they should do the decent thing.
 
This is why I never buy anything worth much money, loss a few bucks so what, loss thousands and no sleep and on my mind for years.
 
Surely a legitimate dealership would check that the person they're buying from is who they say they are beforehand?

How about checks in addition such as driving license, passport, utility bills to prove you are the real owner of the vehicle you are trying to sell?

Loads of other businesses/banks/councils/public services require this sort of information before proceeding with various transactions, so is it beyond the wit of "professional" vehicle dealerships to do similar?

Or is there something obvious I'm missing here??? :unsure:
 
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