Road Tax

Tigatigatiger

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Chating to my sister last night and as it happens we have both re road taxed our MH's in the last few days.

Mine £215, Hers £165.

My MH regsistered as a PLG, Hers a PHGV (her max load is 200kg more than mine). Which is right?

Both are coach built and hers is a UK built MH, mine a German one.

(Both built on same chassis and have same engine)
 
It depends on the GVW (gross vehicle weight) if it's over 3500kg then the taxation class is PHGV, which is £165/year.

3500kg and under is PLG.

AndyC
 
Tigatigatiger said:
Chating to my sister last night and as it happens we have both re road taxed our MH's in the last few days.

Mine £215, Hers £165.

My MH regsistered as a PLG, Hers a PHGV (her max load is 200kg more than mine). Which is right?

Both are coach built and hers is a UK built MH, mine a German one.

(Both built on same chassis and have same engine)
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Mine is £245, LWB VW Transporter converted from new and shown on the log book as a diesel car. I rang Swansea but they just don't want to know.
 
you will have difficulty up grading the transporter .but its very easy to up grade alot of others .you can arrange it yourself if you contact the manufacturer and get alist of chassis up grades .(very often its only paper work.)then go to your local dvla ask to speak to the manager. its best.or contact sv tec speak to gareth marsh. they are at leyland lancs. they can do it all for you. very helpfull people . there are others i have used but i know gareth does loads . if you were down here i would assist but it does take a few trips and being local helps . i do it for fun not money.good job i get on with the local dvla. i,m there worst night mare .hee hee. cheers alan.
 
So the smaller, lighter vehicle is taxed more heavily? Okaaaay.

They have made vehicle taxation so complicated that even they don't understand it.:confused:


Polly
 
kenjones said:
Mine is £245, LWB VW Transporter converted from new and shown on the log book as a diesel car. I rang Swansea but they just don't want to know.
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Swansea are useless. I have had much comminication with them as they had my Hymer S700 MGW of 4600kg as PLG because its unladen weight was 3400kg on a weigh ticket which stated gross weight on the bridge. They would not understand that this was unladen.

I even sent pictures of the VIN plate to still get the reply that they were right.

On Tuesday I went with all the paperwork and VIN plate photo and a letter from SV Tech to our local office. It was lunchtime so I had to wait for an inspector to come back from lunch. As soon as he saw everything he just took photocopies and I was able to renew my road tax at £165 instead of £215.

Foget Swansea go to the local office if you have a query.

Swansea originally registered my Hymer Motorhome as :
Make, Mercedes,
Model, Renault Scienic,
Body type, Pickup.
It took the intervention of Mike Jago at MMM to convince them that they were wrong.
 
I just paid my road tax here 61 euros bloody cheek they put it up this year 50cents :lol-049::lol-049::lol-049:
 
I have rang swansea! May as well stick needles in my eyes!

However I am off to look at new MH for my sister tomorrow (I live 22 miles away from dealer, she lives 270 miles away) and it will be in the same group as mine!

It's a Auto Trail Excel 640G, at Webbs of Reading-comments (useful ones only please on either the MH or Webbs)
 
Pollik said:
So the smaller, lighter vehicle is taxed more heavily? Okaaaay.

They have made vehicle taxation so complicated that even they don't understand it.:confused:


Polly
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The PHGV rate hasn't changed for years. The reason is that it's tied to the HGV rates which have been kept at the same level so as not to upset the road haulage lobby.

AndyC
 
kenjones said:
Mine is £245, LWB VW Transporter converted from new and shown on the log book as a diesel car. I rang Swansea but they just don't want to know.
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You will rarely get any sense out of Swansea, you have to deal with your local office and take proof that the conversion was done before the first registration.

AndyC
 
if you are patient and be prerared for long waits i find no probs . best visit your local dvla or tell swansea to send all the required leaflets about what you want .then try to find the answer .then you can just verify your findings . try to get to the specialist on the subject at swansea are very knowledgable . but you have to ask for them. sometimes its the driving standards agency you need .
form v149 should explain all the revenues or v355/1.
another way is to try to get friendly with a transport manager at a local big truck distribution office . they will have all the info at their finger tips . i still get loads of info from doing the job. and cary lots of info in the truck ready to baffle the police if i have to.
 
Before anyone confronts their MP to demand a change to the PHGV tax rate, remember that a bigger, heavier van uses more fuel (which is heavily taxed) and we are therefore paying more tax than a smaller van.

You only wince once a year when you pay your £215, we wince every time we fill up. :mad1:
 
Mine is LGV at £215

If it was taxed at PLG it would be on engine size and probably about £250 for my engine. It's not always beneficial to get them reclassified.
 
thats not always true .it can be the same vehicle no alterations only the cost of the tax. many converters lower higher gvw chassis cabs when converting into campers . you dont have to carry more but can be usefull. specially after a trip abroad .beat the taxman with a few wines and spirits . always worth looking in to it .if your licence allows over 3,500kg driving.(referance maingates post)
ps you want private heavy goods ,over 3,500kg . all vehicles used private if phg pay 165 even the big artic trucks .
 
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Firefox said:
Mine is LGV at £215

If it was taxed at PLG it would be on engine size and probably about £250 for my engine. It's not always beneficial to get them reclassified.
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These are the rates for 12 months road tax (from April 2011)
LGV: £210
PLG: £130 for up to 1549cc and £215 for over 1549cc
There are two other LGV rates, Euro 4 and Euro 5, both are £130

In most cases the tax class cannot be changed if the conversion to a motor caravan was carried out after first registration.

AndyC
 
My dodge 50 is 6.6ton gvw, 30ft long and £165 a year, big really is best, and she runs on pretty much any combustable liquid we care to put in her, heating oil 54p a litre, just don't tell the man.
 
hi andy c .. sorry sv tec make their living changing tax and weight issues .i do change lots as well . you can get it changed up or down . think its about 300quid for sv tec to do it all . several on here have done it . most 3.5ookg campers seem to be on 3,800 kg chassis if based on fiats .but many are under plated to get around licencing laws because of the 3.5 limit. give gareth a ring he can explain it much better he as a list of chassis i think and its no problem for them. very often no mods .sometimes just airbags is enough. cheers alan.
 
vwalan said:
hi andy c .. sorry sv tec make their living changing tax and weight issues .i do change lots as well . you can get it changed up or down . think its about 300quid for sv tec to do it all . several on here have done it . most 3.5ookg campers seem to be on 3,800 kg chassis if based on fiats .but many are under plated to get around licencing laws because of the 3.5 limit. give gareth a ring he can explain it much better he as a list of chassis i think and its no problem for them. very often no mods .sometimes just airbags is enough. cheers alan.
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Changing the weight (GVW) is a separate issue, I was referring only to the conversion of a goods vehicle into a motor caravan :)

AndyC
 
hi, thats no problem either just tell your local dvla office .ours come out to look or you take it to them. so long as you fullfill the requirements of a m,home you get it easy. i have had them here loads times . even had them sort out a neighbours truck as he tried to get it from swansea .came on a saturday looked ,log books arrived wednesday. no costs just a look . its like when i change the artics from goods trailers to living vans .or from tippers to artics . all very easy . specialy as its a voluntary change to a private vehicle used for towing a living van . no chassis or braking details needed . just a paper exercise. i change weights to suit the licence of the driver .either 8.25 train or 3.500kg gvw of unit . an old b+e can have a greater train weight than an old c1+e because of the restriction 107.. b+e as only the trainweight of the unit must not be broken. i have built some with 12ton trainweights based on the mitsi canter .start as a 7,500kg then drop it to 3,500kg it keeps the original trainweight .daft i know but its ok. and 165 quid a year road tax. or even disabled is allowed . cheers alan.
 
carrying on with the weight theme...

We are asking DVLA to reduce the bracket from 9.5 ton to 7.5 ton - for various reasons. Anyway - got the beastie weighed at a weighbridge, at 6.9 tonnes. Sent this - along with the V5 to the DVLA - with the "new revenue weight" at 7500kg. They want to set it at 6900kg - as per the weighbridge cert. I have asked them to make it 7500, so I can put in some water..... They seem to be getting into a twist about this. Any suggestions?
 
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