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From the Telegraph

Britain’s only wild camping haven is under threat from a millionaire landowner​

A wealthy landowner prefers pheasant-shooters to campers – but campaigners have got him in their sights



Wild camp protest Dartmoor

Right-to-roam activists built a protest camp on the Darwalls’ estate CREDIT: Gillian Healey
Each of the UK’s national parks has its USPs. The Yorkshire Dales has quaint villages and rolling hills. The Lake District has its Romantic poets, craggy peaks, and the lakes. Cairngorm has its remoteness and raw beauty.
Dartmoor is special because it’s the only place in England and Wales where wild camping is tolerated – even encouraged.
But if fund manager Alexander Darwall gets his way, that particular USP could be blown off the moor like one of the pheasants his clients enjoy shooting on the 4,000-acre Blachford Estate he bought with his wife, Diana, in 2011.
Darwall says in a witness statement he is not seeking to end wild camping but that the “need for landowner permission to wild camp is a vital safeguard”.
The couple, who rent out cottages and offer deer stalking as well as pheasant shoots, are seeking a declaration that “members of the public are not entitled… to pitch tents or otherwise occupy Stall Moor overnight… except with the claimant’s consent”.
Stall Moor is in the south of Dartmoor, between the Erme and Yealm rivers. It’s easy to access from Ivybridge or Cornwood and relatively convenient for those relying on public transport. While the terrain seems at first sight unprepossessing, lots of visitors go to admire a 4,000-year-old stone row and an attractive waterfall.
It comprises 2,784 acres of registered common land. Section 10 of the Dartmoor Commons Act gives the public right to access the moor for the purposes of “outdoor recreation”. Historically, national park authorities have interpreted this to include responsible backpack or wild camping, following the “leave no trace” principles.
Last weekend a small group of right-to-roam activists built a protest camp over the weekend on the Darwalls’ estate. Local residents have also voiced their opposition.

By law, there is a right to roam in over just eight per cent of England CREDIT: Gillian Healey
The landowners also face resistance from the major campaigning organisations. The British Mountaineering Council, Ramblers and Open Space Society all support the continuation of the long-established precedent of public access for wild camping across the Dartmoor Commons.
Dartmoor has long relied on mutual tolerance and understanding. Though most of the land in the national park not managed by the MoD is in private hands, local farmers have long rights to graze livestock.
While ancient sites are unfenced, visitors have largely shown themselves to be careful and considerate.
Almost all wild campers keep a low profile, pitch late and leave early, and ensure their tents are not visible from villages or farmhouses.
Wild camping is not only precious because of the freedom it bestows on walkers, horseback riders, wheelchair-users and cyclists, but because it opens up the whole of the moor. Where national parks and AONBs with more dramatic peaks and ridges are well suited to tightly controlled footpaths, Dartmoor has more subtle contours; the ability to go off-path and explore is arguably its main asset.
Wild camp protest

Activists have been vocal about the benefits of wild camping CREDIT: Gillian Healey
There is a right to roam over just eight per cent of England. The rest is privately owned. The Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 gives a legal right of public access to mountains, moorland, heaths, some downland and commons, and the slowly evolving England Coast Path.
Campaigners have asked for this right to be extended to include rivers, woods and green belt land. They emphasise the mental and physical health benefits of outdoors activities as well as the fact that wild camping is a rare instance of a joyous and cost-free pastime in the midst of a cost-of-living crisis.
The fear among those who believe in a universal right-to-roam is not only that Stall Moor could be placed off-limits to campers, but that a change in the law would be a step back to 19th-century anti-trespass powers and encourage other Dartmoor landowners – which include a Saudi businessmen, a Gibraltar-based trust, the Duchy of Cornwall and several wealthy families – to push back on public access.
Totnes-based Guy Shrubsole, who runs the Who Owns England? website and helped organise the weekend protest camp. said: “The freedom to wild camp on Dartmoor’s majestic tors and sleep beneath its dark and star-studded skies is incredibly special, and an ancient custom and right.
“Who does this landowner think he is, to be able to take that freedom from all of us?"
The Blachford Estate has been approached for comment.

Do you think that Britain's wild camping havens should be protected?​

 
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The Ramblers were the first organisation to fight for the right to roam.

I wish them good luck with their fight 👍

Go around with your eyes shut to the world of politics - local, national or global - and it's easy to lose (by comfortable complacency) the 'right' to things hard won over many generations/decades that are often taken for granted.

Mocking or vilifying those who campaign or protest to bring about any kind of change to the political or legal landscape it's worth remembering we only have the rights we do because they were fought for by previous generations. Voting for women. Employment rights. The right to free health services for everyone (for now). The list goes on. They didn't just drop in our laps as a God-given right from the day we were born.

From the Ramblers website:

Winning the right to roam​

In the year 2000, following a long-running campaign led by the Ramblers, walkers won a ‘right to roam’ over wild, open countryside in England and Wales. The new legal right to walk over mountains, moorland, heath, downland and common land, without having to stay on paths, was set out in the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000. Winning this right remains one of the most significant milestones in Ramblers’ history.

Attempts to achieve a right to roam began in 1884 when James Bryce MP introduced the first Parliamentary bill for a right to roam. The bill was re-introduced every year until 1914 and failed each time. In 1932 six people were sent to jail for leading a mass trespass on Kinder Scout in the Peak District, causing national outcry and bringing the case for a right to roam into the public eye.

The campaign suffered a set-back in 1939 with the passage of the Access to Mountains Act. The Ramblers, officially formed in 1935, was bitterly opposed to this legislation which compromised walkers’ rights and made trespassing a criminal offence in certain circumstances. It was later repealed.
In 1947 the Hobhouse Committee recommended legislation for public access to open countryside. This led to the National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act 1949. Under this legislation, local authorities were required to survey open countryside, assess the level of access provided to walkers and to secure further access by means of agreements with landowners, by orders or by purchasing the land. In practice the legislation has secured very few improvements for walkers.

In 1985 the Ramblers launched the Forbidden Britain campaign, with the aim of securing a legal right to walk in wild, open areas of countryside without having to stick to paths. By 1991 the annual event was seeing increasing mass trespasses, on a scale not seen since the 1930s.

Following on from the success of the Forbidden Britain campaign in raising the issue of access to the countryside, the Ramblers began lobbying the major political parties for a commitment to introducing legislation which would give the public a ‘right to roam’. This commitment would eventually appear in the Labour Party's 1997 general election manifesto. In 1998, Michael Meacher MP - the then Environment Minister - confirmed this intention in a speech to the House of Commons. The resulting Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 (CRoW) became law on 30 November 2000.

Walkers would, however, have to wait a few more years to enjoy their right to roam. First, maps had to be produced showing where the new right could be exercised. Following a long and complex exercise to identify and map wild, open countryside, the right to roam came into effect across the whole of England and Wales on 31 October 2005.
 
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Don’t blame the land owner blame the stupid laws hundreds of years old that you Englanders won’t update. Cyclists not allowed to cycle on this path and land rovers and enduro bikes ripping up moors and tracks. Take a leaf out of Scotlands outdoor access code which benefits everyone not just the wealthy landowner.
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Mocking or vilifying those who campaign or protest to bring about any kind of change to the political or legal landscape it's worth remembering we only have the rights we do because they were fought for by previous generations. Voting for women. Employment rights. The right to free health services for everyone (for now). The list goes on. They didn't just drop in our laps as a God-given right from the day we were born.
This is why I am very annoyed that the petition the government website had had to change their wording form reaching 100k vote it will be debated to might be debated, that is very very wrong and should we get rid of the twats in government we need to get it change back, and the number should be 50k, and the petitions should be advertised in the press.
 
Don’t blame the land owner blame the stupid laws hundreds of years old that you Englanders won’t update. Cyclists not allowed to cycle on this path and land rovers and enduro bikes ripping up moors and tracks. Take a leaf out of Scotlands outdoor access code which benefits everyone not just the wealthy landowner. View attachment 113763

Us 'Englanders' are not one homogenous mass all thinking the same way, Cal.
And I'm a Reiver - watch yerself with your high and mighty, I'll be up there stealing your cattle and beer! ;)😁 😘

We're classified as who we are by accident of birth. I could equally say the 'ordinary' Scot had most of his land 'grabbed' a long time ago and not a lot has altered that state of affairs since.

Our English Diggers might have been a good template for the Scots to follow instead of the rolling over or emigrating when the English Landowners (and your own Chieftains) shafted your agricultural population north of the Border. ;) :cool:
 
Us 'Englanders' are not one homogenous mass all thinking the same way, Cal.
And I'm a Reiver - watch yerself with your high and mighty, I'll be up there stealing your cattle and beer! ;)😁 😘

We're classified as who we are by accident of birth. I could equally say the 'ordinary' Scot had most of his land 'grabbed' a long time ago and not a lot has altered that state of affairs since.

Our English Diggers might have been a good template for the Scots to follow instead of the rolling over or emigrating when the English Landowners (and your own Chieftains) shafted your agricultural population north of the Border. ;) :cool:
As I said the draconian laws regarding land and who can do what on it need to change in Englandshire.
While I’m here, Rod License? What the fecks that all about?
Sorry if I ripped yer nittin but not being able to walk or cycle wherever you want in the country you live in criminal. IMO🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿💪
 
Us 'Englanders' are not one homogenous mass all thinking the same way, Cal.
And I'm a Reiver - watch yerself with your high and mighty, I'll be up there stealing your cattle and beer! ;)😁 😘

We're classified as who we are by accident of birth. I could equally say the 'ordinary' Scot had most of his land 'grabbed' a long time ago and not a lot has altered that state of affairs since.

Our English Diggers might have been a good template for the Scots to follow instead of the rolling over or emigrating when the English Landowners (and your own Chieftains) shafted your agricultural population north of the Border. ;) :cool:
awe you lot are aw the same.
Tell us, who wur you supportin the day at the rugby.
Did some o ye support Samoa, naw, fae carlisle tae lands end ye wer aw shoutin fur England. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
The rules for wild camping in the Dartmoor national park are such that it is impossible for a motorhome or camper van to be used for an overnight stay parking within its boundaries without the risk of a fine.

This applies even if your motorhome or camper is unattended overnight.

Unattended cars are permitted to park overnight but no sleeping permitted in them.

The right to roam is a tent user rambler protest.

Whilst I agree that common law land rights developed over centuries should not be contested by new land owners who have purchased land fully aware of the covenants and restraints that come with the purchase, this doesn’t change how I can use my motorhome on Dartmoor. This restraint on motorhome use is entirely in the hands of the national park authorities. Not the land owners.
 
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The rules for wild camping in the Dartmoor national park are such that it is impossible for a motorhome or camper van to be used for an overnight stay parking within its boundaries without the risk of a fine.

This applies even if your motorhome or camper is unattended overnight.

Unattended cars are permitted to park overnight but no sleeping permitted in them.

The right to roam is a tent user rambler protest.

Whilst I agree that common law land rights developed over centuries should not be contested by new land owners who have purchased land fully aware of the covenants and restraints that come with the purchase, this doesn’t change how I can use my motorhome on Dartmoor. This restraint on motorhome use is entirely in the hands of the national park authorities. Not the land owners.

We knew that, Moped, I think the post was more a 'just out of interest' post drawing attention to the latest scrap between the general public and the landed gentry. A 'popcorn' issue rather than anything connected to motor homing. ;) 😁 :cool:
 
We knew that, Moped, I think the post was more a 'just out of interest' post drawing attention to the latest scrap between the general public and the landed gentry. A 'popcorn' issue rather than anything connected to motor homing. ;) 😁 :cool:
I totally accept and understand this.

There may be newbies and others though who are not aware of the vehicle rules on Dartmoor and the use of “wildcamping” in connection with this story and the spirit with which the term is used on this forum may require some clarification before those who may be first timers, browse this forum and hire vehicles, for example, drive to Dartmoor.

It is not good for all of us if this happens as it will only harden U.K. authority attitudes to motorhomes and camper vans.
 
The problem with the right to roam is it leaves things wide open for abuse, take travelers for example, turn up and leave a mess and are very hard to shift.
Next is the care aspect of land gates and fences, who is going to police this not forgetting repair bills.
Agreed we should have the right to go into the wilds and enjoy whats there, but some sort of control is and must be applied, otherwise it would end up like my back yard. :eek:
 
I was taught the extended version of 'countryside code' by my Dad from the minute I could walk & talk.

General ignorance goes hand-in-hand with what seems to be a massive level of self-entitlement - and the all-pervading attitude 'it's somebody else's responsibility'. So we have a countryside littered with rubbish and junk visited by people who haven't got a clue about farming or nature and care even less as long as they're all right, Jack.

The 'Keep Britain Tidy' campaign was also part of my formative years. I've said it before and it's worth repeating - if they want to raise some money to get us out of debt, start with heavy fines for littering and not following the countryside code. They'll be quids in after a very short space of time. It's not that difficult to be considerate about the environment when out and about, so fair dos if you get whacked in the pocket for not paying attention to your inconsiderate behaviour.
 
I was taught the extended version of 'countryside code' by my Dad from the minute I could walk & talk.

General ignorance goes hand-in-hand with what seems to be a massive level of self-entitlement - and the all-pervading attitude 'it's somebody else's responsibility'. So we have a countryside littered with rubbish and junk visited by people who haven't got a clue about farming or nature and care even less as long as they're all right, Jack.

The 'Keep Britain Tidy' campaign was also part of my formative years. I've said it before and it's worth repeating - if they want to raise some money to get us out of debt, start with heavy fines for littering and not following the countryside code. They'll be quids in after a very short space of time. It's not that difficult to be considerate about the environment when out and about, so fair dos if you get whacked in the pocket for not paying attention to your inconsiderate behaviour.
I absolutely agree, but councils are not helping themselves, there used to be a bin in almost every layby, not any more, they got rid of the bins and put up signs saying "take your litter home" which is all well and good but I'm not storing a months worth of rubbish in the van and neither will truck drivers so we get crap dumped in laybys now, what I don't get is the refuse collection teams rush around, blocking roads, leaving bins half emptied, and not where they got them from so they blow all over the road on windy days, but they also drive from place to place and past these laybys, so why not let them empty the bins in them, and save the money spent on signs.
 
As I said the draconian laws regarding land and who can do what on it need to change in Englandshire.
While I’m here, Rod License? What the fecks that all about?
Sorry if I ripped yer nittin but not being able to walk or cycle wherever you want in the country you live in criminal. IMO🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿💪
And it will be getting a lot worse I suspect
 
The problem with the right to roam is it leaves things wide open for abuse, take travelers for example, turn up and leave a mess and are very hard to shift.
Next is the care aspect of land gates and fences, who is going to police this not forgetting repair bills.
Agreed we should have the right to go into the wilds and enjoy whats there, but some sort of control is and must be applied, otherwise it would end up like my back yard. :eek:
Scotland does ok. Very clear guidelines though.
 

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