KuyaAndAte
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The fitting on a Gaslow type bottle has an 80% full cut-off valve built in, a calor bottle eBay adapter does not!
The fitting on a Gaslow type bottle has an 80% full cut-off valve built in, a calor bottle eBay adapter does not!
witzend
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Yes but why should one be a problem when filling and not the other the spillage can only come from the hose connection where it connects to the bottle and thats the same on both bottles most fittings where ever they come from are made to a standard. If gas escapes during filling it's more likely to be operater error.
midnight
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You are correct in what you stated. But keep in mind that 80% cut-off valves do fail or become unreliable over time. The fact that the lpg pump has a meter and the bottle is known to be empty will pose no problem to the person who has done the simple calculation in order to fill the bottle to 80%. There is no rocket science involved.
maingate
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There is one flaw in your argument. A bottle can be affected by 'heavy ends', this is rubbish that can build up in a bottle in constant use. If you are not aware of this and fill by a number of litres then you are filling the bottle by more than 80%.
As you are convinced you are doing nothing wrong, you will ignore any advice against it and I am wasting my time. It is probably correct that thyere will be no nasty incident while filling. It is in the motorhome where the danger lies when liquid LPG gets into the system.
midnight
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There is no flaw, just a poor understanding by some of the process employed to refill a bottle. The assumption that is made is that to refill a bottle is to refill it to 80% when 40, 50 or 60% is more than enough for what is needed. Before you refill any bottle you must weigh the bottle when it is empty. The weight of the heavy ends will then be included into the weight of the bottle. An empty bottle is one that has had the gas tap fully open for at least 24 hours or longer. The original weight of the bottle can be found on the aluminium circular plate that is attached around the gas tap on the bottle, or may even be stamped somewhere on the bottle. The weight may differ slightly from that measured and that which is found on the bottle. 1kg=2ltr liquid lpg. This is because the weight on the aluminium disc was taken when the bottle was made and now it will have an unknown weight because it contains the heavy ends. That is why you weigh the empty bottle so that you now know the current weight. By comparing the two weights you are able to calculate the weight of the heavy ends which may or may not amount to much. You are then able to calculate how much lpg to put into the bottle. All bottles which are of the same size will differ in their weight. Make a note of the weight of each bottle. The aim of refilling the bottle is not to fill it right up to 80%, but to put an amount of lpg in to it that you are happy with and which does not exceed 80%. That is the starting point. Its not rocket science.
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maingate
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Just who the hell do you think you are? Stop treating members like they are retarded. "poor understanding of the process of refilling a bottle"
You are backtracking now. You earlier said "run the bottle empty", now you are saying it must be weighed every time As for weighing, what will you use to accurately measure the bottle weight? You will use some Household scales or hand held ones you bought online. I have both types and neither is accurate.
Your last post is just laughable after what has been said on this thread. Nobody and I do mean nobody will stick to the procedure you have just outlined.
As for not understanding, as a Mechanical Engineer, I have personally calibrated and checked calibrations of Industrial Scales from small to very large. The process is not simple. It is a long process throughout the min and max ranges of the equipment and adjustments may be necessary. Where adjustments are made to linkages/load cells etc, the whole process has to be started again from scratch until it is accurate. That is why it annoys me greatly when some totally untrained and naive person tells me that I don't understand a process of filling a bottle.
You are backtracking now. You earlier said "run the bottle empty", now you are saying it must be weighed every time As for weighing, what will you use to accurately measure the bottle weight? You will use some Household scales or hand held ones you bought online. I have both types and neither is accurate.
Your last post is just laughable after what has been said on this thread. Nobody and I do mean nobody will stick to the procedure you have just outlined.
As for not understanding, as a Mechanical Engineer, I have personally calibrated and checked calibrations of Industrial Scales from small to very large. The process is not simple. It is a long process throughout the min and max ranges of the equipment and adjustments may be necessary. Where adjustments are made to linkages/load cells etc, the whole process has to be started again from scratch until it is accurate. That is why it annoys me greatly when some totally untrained and naive person tells me that I don't understand a process of filling a bottle.
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midnight
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Wow. Dare I ask have you yourself ever filled up an empty lpg cylinder at an autogas pump?
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I find it laughable when our Engineers come away with "I must not be question attitude". I worked for a large British company employing a very large number of installation and service personnel . In a monthly news letter a picture was included showing a 13A plug top wired. Unfortunately I had to draw to the attention of our "Engineers" that it had been incorrectly wired, resulting in a amendment being issued the following month.
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Yes, I will be filling my Alugas refillable tomorrow, in preparation for the Easter weekend.
What's the matter? Is that the best answer you can come back at me with?
It seems shortcircuit is biased against Engineers as well as yourself and cannot come back with an 'on topic' reply either.
Never mind, you carry on with your thread, I'm off to play with the big boys.
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I have filled both so have actual experience of the virtual identical process for both. If you have no experience of both how can you have an informed opinion?
I have no bias against engineers, only those that because they have a qualification think they know it all and yes I have some good qualifications.
I have no bias against engineers, only those that because they have a qualification think they know it all and yes I have some good qualifications.
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As an Engineer of any type I know you will know about tolerances, margins for error and accuracy. Also the importance of checking calibration. Do you really think that any of these devises are working to an accuracy of + or - 1% after a few years of service. I cannot prove it but I have a suspicion that many are little better than a guestimate or my £10 bathroom scales.
Richard
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I am capable of buying an adaptor online.
I am capable of using it to fill an exchange bottle.
I am not in the habit of using a banned practise and one that may jeopardise the future filling by owners of refillable cylinders.
BUT YOU KNEW THAT.
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Jimhunterj4
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really going to have to get someone qualified to fill my bottles I can't seem to figure out where the thingy goes
Jimhunterj4
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better not fire up the Barbie just incaseshortcircuit
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If that had been LPG, his face would have been burnt off.
Jimhunterj4
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Got a 5% discount from gasit today (wild camping membership) £376 all in for twin 11kg with remote fill and auto changeover valve. Luvly jubly. :danger:
midnight
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Yes, I will be filling my Alugas refillable tomorrow, in preparation for the Easter weekend.
What's the matter? Is that the best answer you can come back at me with?
It seems shortcircuit is biased against Engineers as well as yourself and cannot come back with an 'on topic' reply either.
Never mind, you carry on with your thread, I'm off to play with the big boys.
So, now you avoided the on topic question and we now know that you can fill an Alugas refillable one. How about staying on topic and maybe answer the question.
PS. No need to include your CV unless of course its on topic.
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So although you are an "Engineer" your competences are no greater than any other posters on this subject other than some have actual experience which gives them greater credence.
"Banned practice".???
Enough said
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captions please