Refillable LPG Bottles,worth the risk?

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Not sure what your point is!

midnight said:
Maybe that's why the name of this forum is called Wildcamping and not something like Campingforexpertsandtheprivalagedrich.

Wild camping carries risks.

Life is all about risk and risk cannot be avoided. No matter. Ask any real expert and they will tell this to you. That's why all real experts have liability insurance, just in case.
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Yes crossing the road is a risk.
I am sure I do not need to go on with such a list.
However surely we try to minimise risk.
Thus NO to refilling calor bottles etc.
I accept that even a good system such as gasit or gaslow have a risk but so does .........
 
Would your car be covered for insurance if there was a accident using an illegal adaptor maybe ring your insurance and ask.I have the Gasit bottle with the 80% cut off,it paid for its self in two years.

Snowbirds.



wakk44 said:
Here in Portugal today I took my friend to refill his 6kg calor lite bottle in the car.He has an adaptor he bought off of e bay which worked well at the LPG pump..The important thing to be aware of is not to refill above 80%.I am aware of the safety implications of using one of these and do not condone using them,I have a repsol gas bottle whilst over here which is easy and cheap to exchange.
It cost the princely sum of just over €6,much cheaper than a calor lite exchange bottle in the UK.As already said I do not condone using these adaptors on the forecourt because of safety issues but I can see the reasons why people do.Apart from being much cheaper it's also convenient when in Europe as the adaptor is already fitted.

Perhaps if calor didn't charge such rip off prices there would be less incentive to use these adaptors.
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jagmanx said:
Yes crossing the road is a risk.
I am sure I do not need to go on with such a list.
However surely we try to minimise risk.
Thus NO to refilling calor bottles etc.
I accept that even a good system such as gasit or gaslow have a risk but so does .........
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Exactly "we try to minimise the risk"

"Thus NO to refilling calor bottles ect" is to exclude all of the risk of refilling and not just to minimise.

As you also pointed out "crossing the road is a risk" so do we then not cross the road at all which will result in no risk or do we cross the road by minimising the risk.
 
snowbirds said:
Would your car be covered for insurance if there was a accident using an illegal adaptor maybe ring your insurance and ask.I have the Gasit bottle with the 80% cut off,it paid for its self in two years.

Snowbirds.
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Where are you getting that the adaptor is illegal from? Insurance companies are a law to themselves. What's ok today can always change tomorrow without any warning.
 
witzend said:
80% Fill Valves available here LPG Tank Valves & Accessories
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Those are for a liquid take-off tank, not a bottle. You are giving out misleading information that some divpot might try to fit. If you click on one of them you get this warning:

LPG Tank 80% Fill Stop Valve 300mm x 105 degree
The fill-stop fits an LPG tank that is 300mm in diameter and the valves are positioned at 105 degrees
from vertical.
This valve is a very important valve in the LPG tank and extreme care should be taken to ensure the
correct valve is fitted for the right size of tank and angle of operation.
If you are in doubt then please email us and include the stamped information from the side of your old valve.
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maingate said:
Those are for a liquid take-off tank, not a bottle. You are giving out misleading information that some divpot might try to fit. If you click on one of them you get this warning:

LPG Tank 80% Fill Stop Valve 300mm x 105 degree
The fill-stop fits an LPG tank that is 300mm in diameter and the valves are positioned at 105 degrees
from vertical.
This valve is a very important valve in the LPG tank and extreme care should be taken to ensure the
correct valve is fitted for the right size of tank and angle of operation.
If you are in doubt then please email us and include the stamped information from the side of your old valve.
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I think you are partly wrong, IMHO they are for a gas take off tank. But you still correct in that they are not suitable for gas cylinders/bottles as they are for fixed underslung LPG tanks.
 
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I am sure any insurance company would like to see your last Habitation and gas check on any gas or fire related claims much like an Mot to give them a chance to duck out of the claim.

Snowbirds.
 
witzend said:
Wrong read the description why would a liquid take off tank need a 80% shut off
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All lpg tanks and cylinders are only filled to 80% regardless. This is to allow for expansion of the liquid lpg. A pressure relief valve is fitted in case the pressure inside the tank is in danger of exceeding the design pressure of the tank. It will open below the design pressure and release gas vapor so that the pressure inside the tank can escape. There is a pressure relief valve inside of the pol gas tap which is fitted to the propane cylinders that we have been talking about. It has a small red plastic cap covering it. When the pressure relief valve opens inside the pol the red plastic cap is forced out and lost. This is why you are warned that if the red plastic cap is missing then you must not use the cylinder/bottle, but to return it. Never except from a retailer a cylinder/bottle if this cap is missing as it would indicate that the gas inside has been venting at some time.

I do not claim to be an expert. I have researched the subject. I do have all my fingers and I do intend to keep them. I do not give advice I only pass on what I know through research.
 
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midnight said:
All lpg tanks and cylinders are only filled to 80% regardless. This is to allow for expansion of the liquid lpg. A pressure relief valve is fitted in case the pressure inside the tank is in danger of exceeding the design pressure of the tank. It will open below the design pressure and release gas vapor so that the pressure inside the tank can escape. There is a pressure relief valve inside of the pol gas tap which is fitted to the propane cylinders that we have been talking about. It had a small red plastic cap covering it. When the pressure relief valve opens inside the pol the red plastic cap is forced out and lost. This is why you are warned that if the red plastic cap is missing then you must not use the cylinder/bottle, but to return it. Never except from a retailer a cylinder/bottle if this cap is missing as it would indicate that the gas inside has been venting at some time.
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Thanks for that, I was just about to concede that witzend might be right. :eek:
 
Unsure that Midnights claims where true world wide I decided to do a little research myself. Found these two tales of when it went sadly wrong for the experts. The First Responder

Yes I know they where bigger tanks than most of us have on vans.

Richard
 
snowbirds said:
I am sure any insurance company would like to see your last Habitation and gas check on any gas or fire related claims much like an Mot to give them a chance to duck out of the claim.

Snowbirds.
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Didn't know that a habitation check was a requirement for insurance, I've never been asked for one in 24 years of insuring caravans and motorhomes
 
There may be a few American motorhome owners on here that run their petrol engines on LPG, and we have three Land Rover Discovery V8's in the family that have LPG systems to power the vehicle.

Speaking from some years operating these, I can confirm that ALL tanks are fitted with the 80% cut-off valve, either as part of the multivalve on single hole tanks or as a separate device on 4-hole tanks.

As the sizes for vapour take-off tanks are limited compared with liquid take-off types, a few will modify the take-off pickup tube on a liquid take-off tank to collect vapour only by moving it to the top of the tank from the bottom.

This does not affect any of the multivalve functions, all the safety devices remain fully functional, nothing else changes.

The rather inflated prices for vapour take-off tanks does tend to encourage this practice, and the extra money is not really justified, just another 'motorhome tax'.

Peter
 
listerdiesel said:
few will modify the take-off pickup tube on a liquid take-off tank to collect vapour only by moving it to the top of the tank from the bottom.

This does not affect any of the multivalve functions, all the safety devices remain fully functional, nothing else changes.

The rather inflated prices for vapour take-off tanks does tend to encourage this practice, and the extra money is not really justified, just another 'motorhome tax'.

Peter
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Yes thats an idea to convert one of these Lpg Fuel Tank And Mounting Bracket Unused | eBay
 
Jeff G said:
Talking with a guy last week who had just bought a VW van conversion,his insurance asked for a gas safety certificate.He never said which company it was.
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Unless it is a conversion done by a recognised converter most insurance companies will ask for one but only once when it is first insured, when I built my Iveco I had to get it checked by someone who was Corgi registered, I also had to take it to Horizons Unlimited a motorhome converter in Tamworth for a valuation for Safeguard to insure it, never asked for a safety certificate after that first time
 
shortcircuit said:
I don't think so as it's now just banter. Unfortunately some of those higher-ups, who think they no it all, do not like being brought down a peg
Common sense, a scarce commodity
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Good spelling is also a rare commodity, it's know not "no", only joking its just banter.
 
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