Refillable LPG Bottles,worth the risk?

[campervanannie]

Did the alarm go off??

no i do the military thing and run round shouting GAS GAS GAS

 

[campervanannie]

Yeh blame the dog we believe you.

OK hands held high it was ME

 

[Tbear]

Ok as long as you did not try and bottle it.

Richard

 

[wildman]

I used a refill adapter for years before I got my current van that has a fixed gas tank. Filling is exactly the same apart from remembering to turn the bottle off before disconnecting. Back pressure on the supply pump shuts off at 80%. I never managed to get too much in the bottle. If you have the intelligence to fill with petrol, (that has highly flammable vapour) then following the instructions to use a refill adapter is a piece of cake. For those to whom money is no object I doubt you would bother that calor et al are charging double for refilled bottles. If you don't understand it then fine but don't knock those who do know.

 

[rambling rosie]

I used a refill adapter for years before I got my current van that has a fixed gas tank. Filling is exactly the same apart from remembering to turn the bottle off before disconnecting. Back pressure on the supply pump shuts off at 80%. I never managed to get too much in the bottle. If you have the intelligence to fill with petrol, (that has highly flammable vapour) then following the instructions to use a refill adapter is a piece of cake. For those to whom money is no object I doubt you would bother that calor et al are charging double for refilled bottles. If you don't understand it then fine but don't knock those who do know.

I just pretend to use mine, it rids the place of undesirables. :baby:

 

[shortcircuit]

Which poster is the cretin?

 

[Tbear]

Which poster is the cretin?

We could carry that on until Phil closes the thread or?

Richard

 

[shortcircuit]

I don't think so as it's now just banter. Unfortunately some of those higher-ups, who think they no it all, do not like being brought down a peg
Common sense, a scarce commodity

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Breach of the terms and conditions of supply is a breach of contract.

Breach of contract is illegal.

VESTED INTERESTS , they do not want to lose out on the very large % profit margins they make. Terms and conditions are not a contract, it may be implied that you agree but in the absence of an actual agreement preferably in writing then it is just their T &C's . There are other companies that fill bottles with gas and BOC are the worst with their charges for hire. Ongoing charges made every year, they learnt that when they HAD a monopoly on welding gases. BOC make nearly all the profit from bottle hire.

 

[northernspirit2001]

No one should advocate, or indeed encourage anyone to refill gas cylinders which are intended to be exchanged only, if only for the fact that an uninitiated or ill informed person reading this could do so, and put themselves and others in danger.

I've got Gaslow now but used to use one of those "dangerous" adaptors....my memory is terrible and I got the amount I should have filled it up. The pump clicked off......at 85% full. So exactly how dangerous are they??

 

[Tezza33]

You could not fill a cylinder completely if you tried.

Is that because of the pressure above the liquid?, it is something I always wondered

 

[maingate]

Is that because of the pressure above the liquid?, it is something I always wondered

Basically yes.

The pump will pump liquid gas into the bottle at a certain pressure. The evaporated gas will eventually reach the same pressure that the pump is capable of delivering. Either that or there is a Pressure Switch to cut off the Pump (more likely in my humble opinion).

 

[Jimhunterj4]

Piece of cake, with bottle completely empty fill up with double the kilo's in ltrs, this gives you a 20% expansion gap or 80% fill. Could not be simpler, its not rocket science.
I've got a new gasit kit coming soon 2x11kg only because I've got some spare cash and the other method of refilling was only temporary. Saved a fortune though lol

 

[Hellfire]

It's a real shame this serious subject should have been hijacked by those who seem to be more concerned about point scoring and abuse.

Whatever the legalities of refilling non-refillable cylinders, doing so will always carry an element of risk. It strikes me that buying cheap adapters on e bay carries risks in itself. If that risk only affects the individual then so be it. But, when you are filling on a garage forecourt, you are putting other people at risk. Some on this thread maintain they're perfectly competent to do this. That may or may not be the case but I don't want to be close to you when you do make a mistake.

What bothers me is that any such accident could well lead to more garages banning filling by those of us who do have professionally fitted refillable cylinders. The responsible majority suffer as a result.

 

[maingate]

It's a real shame this serious subject should have been hijacked by those who seem to be more concerned about point scoring and abuse.

Whatever the legalities of refilling non-refillable cylinders, doing so will always carry an element of risk. It strikes me that buying cheap adapters on e bay carries risks in itself. If that risk only affects the individual then so be it. But, when you are filling on a garage forecourt, you are putting other people at risk. Some on this thread maintain they're perfectly competent to do this. That may or may not be the case but I don't want to be close to you when you do make a mistake.

What bothers me is that any such accident could well lead to more garages banning filling by those of us who do have professionally fitted refillable cylinders. The responsible majority suffer as a result.

That point has been put over in the past but it is ignored. I suppose in some cases these people may have no option as they have limited funds and cannot afford to purchase refillables or exchange bottles. They know what they are doing is not permitted. It makes me wonder what other corners they are cutting?

 

[barryd]

My single 11kg Gaslow cost £250 all in with a French Adaptor and fitted by a Gaslow dealer with a filler on the side. This was 7 years ago and I think it paid for itself within a year.

All I have to do is fit the nozzle and press the button. Dont have to think about how many litres I am putting in or if I am going to blow myself up (Some may wish that I would blow myself up but thats another story).

How can any method of filling where you have to think about what your putting in and "assume" your bottle is empty be fool proof?

I dont buy into the fact that some cant afford it either. If you can afford to run a motorhome and you use the van for long periods of time you would be daft not to as it will save you money long term and if your only using it two weeks of the year then its not worth bothering filling anything, just use a calor.

 

[st3v3]

You could not fill a cylinder completely if you tried.

Yea, surely it's always got air in it?

 

[wildman]

It's a real shame this serious subject should have been hijacked by those who seem to be more concerned about point scoring and abuse.

Whatever the legalities of refilling non-refillable cylinders, doing so will always carry an element of risk. It strikes me that buying cheap adapters on e bay carries risks in itself. If that risk only affects the individual then so be it. But, when you are filling on a garage forecourt, you are putting other people at risk. Some on this thread maintain they're perfectly competent to do this. That may or may not be the case but I don't want to be close to you when you do make a mistake.

What bothers me is that any such accident could well lead to more garages banning filling by those of us who do have professionally fitted refillable cylinders. The responsible majority suffer as a result.

I have yet to see a poor quality adapter advertised on ebay and I have seen a lot in use that are well made and have instructions stamped on them. Refilling with an adapter is no more or less risky than using a gaslow system when a proper adapter, not a home made jobbie is used end of story.

 

[Tbear]

Yea, surely it's always got air in it?

Depends on partial pressure and temperature so when you have a different hot gases due to it being compressed it is difficult to get it all to turn back to a liquid. As many countries mix various different forms of LPG together it would be impossible to calculate. So a pump can be set to cut out at a given pressure, it will not equate to an exact 80% fill. How important it is to have an 80% as to an 81% fill I have no idea. I have driven the van across a bumpy field with the fridge still lit so LPG in its liquid form must have sloshed up into the reg and I am still here to tell the story.

Richard

 

[midnight]

It's a real shame this serious subject should have been hijacked by those who seem to be more concerned about point scoring and abuse.

Whatever the legalities of refilling non-refillable cylinders, doing so will always carry an element of risk. It strikes me that buying cheap adapters on e bay carries risks in itself. If that risk only affects the individual then so be it. But, when you are filling on a garage forecourt, you are putting other people at risk. Some on this thread maintain they're perfectly competent to do this. That may or may not be the case but I don't want to be close to you when you do make a mistake.

What bothers me is that any such accident could well lead to more garages banning filling by those of us who do have professionally fitted refillable cylinders. The responsible majority suffer as a result.

Maybe that's why the name of this forum is called Wildcamping and not something like Campingforexpertsandtheprivalagedrich.

Wild camping carries risks.

Life is all about risk and risk cannot be avoided. No matter. Ask any real expert and they will tell this to you. That's why all real experts have liability insurance, just in case.