refillable gas recommendations

[Lee]

I'm afraid this discussion can go on for ever, at the end of the day it's down to the individual, whether they feel it's safe enough to risk their property and personal safety plus anybody in the near vicinity.
Or to install a system which has been designed and passed industry standards.
It's the individuals choice.

 

[shortcircuit]

You really need to put your brain in gear and try to work it out logically.

Very easy to determine if a cylinder is empty, the peep goes out. Crack the valve to determine if is totally empty. I suggested to fill to 20 lts and not 22 lts for a 11kg cylinder, which is well below the 80% so an even greater margin of safety. If you watch the gauge at the pump it moves very slowly and is very accurate; have you ever paid for more fuel than what was registered on the gauge?

Do you watch the gauge when filling your refillable or do you blindly hope the cut off valve will work? I do.

 

[Teutone]

You really need to put your brain in gear and try to work it out logically.

Very easy to determine if a cylinder is empty, the peep goes out. Crack the valve to determine if is totally empty. I suggested to fill to 20 lts and not 22 lts for a 11kg cylinder, which is well below the 80% so an even greater margin of safety. If you watch the gauge at the pump it moves very slowly and is very accurate; have you ever paid for more fuel than what was registered on the gauge?

Do you watch the gauge when filling your refillable or do you blindly hope the cut off valve will work? I do.

All well said and basically I would agree. But more often than not I still HAVE gas in the bottle left when I need to refill for another trip. I am not planning my trips around empty gas bottles. I want head off when I am ready.

And exactly here lies the possible problem in my humble opinion. You are on the way out and misguess the amount of gas leftover in your bottle and overfill by accident. I am sure there is a bit of tolerance with the 80% but i would rather be on the safe side.

So for me the decision was easy, just get a proper refillable bottle.

 

[shortcircuit]

I do have refillable cylinders and one of the best extras fitted.

To those so concerned about safety, as I understand it, refillable cylinders should be replaced every 5 years? Can you confirm.

 

[Talbot]

Only a fool would try and fill a bottle that still had gas in it. Surely everyone has two bottles. When one runs out replace it with your full one and you have at least 2 weeks of gas to keep you going while you're on the lookout for an lpg garage. Where is the stress in that?

 

[Bazbro]

Steel cylinders replace every ten years (Composite cylinders, five years).

I'm glad that you purge your cylinder before you fill it up, Talbot! A lot of people just rely on the fact that "it's running out" so it must be empty...

Barry

 

[Deleted member 9849]

Why was he refilling his calor cylinders on the motorway travelling at speed ?
Or was it actually a crash and has nothing really to do with refilling gas cylinders.

Please don't try and be facetious,this is a serious and very important topic.As we are on a public forum it is quite likely that some people could be influenced by this thread and decide to undertake some dangerous and potentially lethal practices to save a miniscule amount of money.As I explained in the post I was illustrating the tremendous power of an LPG cylinder if it does explode.It's a subject that deserves better than the flippant reply above.

 

[Channa]

What a set of numpties !!...gas bottle empty? really rarely the case and the reason shouldn't be stored on their side when allegedly so ....As for filling with litres flawed in itself bottles should be filled on weight ... And if half of you are as bright as you make out , would know that and the equation.What about the possibility of accumulated "heavy ends" in your botlles ? You dont know what a heavy end is ? And oyu are wanting to top up your own gas ? Imbeciles !

Sorry for the rather tough stance but all this talk of common sense assumes others have the same knowledge when it seems pretty obvious to me by the comments bereft !

Channa

 

[Talbot]

It's always a great topic for a bit of wildcamping banter. It guarantees to stir the hornets from their nest.

 

[Teutone]

Only a fool would try and fill a bottle that still had gas in it. Surely everyone has two bottles. When one runs out replace it with your full one and you have at least 2 weeks of gas to keep you going while you're on the lookout for an lpg garage. Where is the stress in that?

Let's just agree that you can't agree with people who like it easy and are willing to spend a few quid to have equipment which is safe to use and convenient. Don't call these people fools.
Or do I call people fools who take chances with guesswork while fiddling with dangerous equipment?

 

[Canalsman]

I have an underslung lpg tank fitted as standard, but when I'm in Europe I have different adaptors for different countries. I have to select an adaptor and screw it to my uk adaptor. These adaptors I purchased on eBay from the same companies that sell the refillable adaptors. I'm therefore probably exposed to the same risk on the forecourt as someone refilling an empty bottle, but I'm legitimate.
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That's not true because your tank has an 80% cut off valve which the Calor type bottles don't have.

Fitting an adapter, provided it is tightened sufficiently to seal properly, is perfectly safe.

 

[Talbot]

Let's just agree that you can't agree with people who like it easy and are willing to spend a few quid to have equipment which is safe to use and convenient. Don't call these people fools.
Or do I call people fools who take chances with guesswork while fiddling with dangerous equipment?

Come on Teutone, stay with it. I've twice stated that our motorhome is manufactured with a 25 Litre underfloor mounted LPG gas tank with Drive safe regulator. How easy people get wound up on here. I don't fill bottles with adaptors. I have no need to.

 

[Teutone]

Come on Teutone, stay with it. I've twice stated that our motorhome is manufactured with a 25 Litre underfloor mounted LPG gas tank with Drive safe regulator. How easy people get wound up on here. I don't fill bottles with adaptors. I have no need to.

Then why are still talking it down that self filling of hire bottles is coming with a risk?
Not wanting to offend anyone but there are people in this world who believe everything they read on the internet. And if somebody posts that filling bottles is a doddle, they may not have the grey matter like you and just go and fill to whatever level.
Personally i decided that fiddling with the scales at the petrol station isn't really for me.

 

[Talbot]

Then why are still talking it down that self filling of hire bottles is coming with a risk?
Not wanting to offend anyone but there are people in this world who believe everything they read on the internet. And if somebody posts that filling bottles is a doddle, they may not have the grey matter like you and just go and fill to whatever level.
Personally i decided that fiddling with the scales at the petrol station isn't really for me.

I think your response is well written and you raise valid points. I think if one looks at the reasons why and how this market developed we will find the answers. Each bottle manufacturer manufactures bottles for their own market/country. They made sure that there was no compatability of regulators between each manufacturer. Then we the motorhomers created the need for standards, but calor and the like want to tie their customers in to their own proprietary systems even though the market was and still is crying out for one standard bottle across all of Europe. Then because of market demand, other oem's saw a niche and began to manufacture filling adaptors to address the problem. Shortly after gasit and other oem's followed suit and built the first refillable bottles with additional safety features built in. Whilst this is the history to why the industry is where it is, the original problem still remains and I would still encourage calor and all bottle manufacturers across Europe to get their heads together and produce one standard bottle and regulator across the industry. However, we all know they will never do it and this subject will always remain a contentious issue.

 

[maxi77]

Many moons ago when I was taught demolitions in the RN, one of the first points was that explosives were perfectly safe as long as you remembered they were bl**dy dangerous. Gas is much the same and that is the problem to many people forget it is bl**dy dangerous and what the risks are.

 

[Teutone]

I think your response is well written and you raise valid points. I think if one looks at the reasons why and how this market developed we will find the answers. Each bottle manufacturer manufactures bottles for their own market/country. They made sure that there was no compatability of regulators between each manufacturer. Then we the motorhomers created the need for standards, but calor and the like want to tie their customers in to their own proprietary systems even though the market was and still is crying out for one standard bottle across all of Europe. Then because of market demand, other oem's saw a niche and began to manufacture filling adaptors to address the problem. Shortly after gasit and other oem's followed suit and built the first refillable bottles with additional safety features built in. Whilst this is the history to why the industry is where it is, the original problem still remains and I would still encourage calor and all bottle manufacturers across Europe to get their heads together and produce one standard bottle and regulator across the industry. However, we all know they will never do it and this subject will always remain a contentious issue.

Can only speak for Germany. Nobody DIY refills bottles and refillable bottles like gasit and gaslow are unheared off. Why you may ask? Because the gas bottle suppliers just charge for what the gas is worth and not double like in the UK!
That's where the root of the problem is if you ask me.
When people feel they get ripped off, they are prepared to take a few risks to save some money.
Sell gas for what it's worth and nobody would bother to circumnavigate the system.
I can life with a few adapters in my gas locker for other countries.

 

[maxi77]

Can only speak for Germany. Nobody DIY refills bottles and refillable bottles like gasit and gaslow are unheared off. Why you may ask? Because the gas bottle suppliers just charge for what the gas is worth and not double like in the UK!
That's where the root of the problem is if you ask me.
When people feel they get ripped off, they are prepared to take a few risks to save some money.
Sell gas for what it's worth and nobody would bother to circumnavigate the system.
I can life with a few adapters in my gas locker for other countries.

Despite this Alugas cylinders are made in Germany and the company has a pretty wide distributor list for Germany as one can see

Die Gasfachfrau Karin Nöfer

Our German chums have two and fill them up regularly in the Algarve.

 

[Teutone]

Despite this Alugas cylinders are made in Germany and the company has a pretty wide distributor list for Germany as one can see

Die Gasfachfrau Karin Nöfer

Our German chums have two and fill them up regularly in the Algarve.

IN Germany people won't need them as gas is available at reasonable price at wvery corner.

 

[ivanisafish]

gas it fitting

Have been looking at getting gas it system fitted, but not confident to do it myself. Does anyone know where I could get it fitted for reasonable price? Also noticed you can buy their stuff on e bay. Any comments on this?

 

[Obanboy666]

Have been looking at getting gas it system fitted, but not confident to do it myself. Does anyone know where I could get it fitted for reasonable price? Also noticed you can buy their stuff on e bay. Any comments on this?

What is your location ? Members can then recommend where you can have it fitted local to you.