Poll - Would you help?

[Channa]

well known northern folk are friendly,why does the poll suggest female, in these days of supposed eqauality why the reference to gender

everything goes out the window because the unfortunate is female.

well in these days of eqaulity,i often wonder how many women play the "eqauals card",,,,,yet resort to the damsel in distress when they are goosed at the roadside

you want eqaulity, you have it fix it

a tin hat adorned channa

channa

 

[whitevanwoman]

well known northern folk are friendly,why does the poll suggest female, in these days of supposed eqauality why the reference to gender

everything goes out the window because the unfortunate is female.

well in these days of eqaulity,i often wonder how many women play the "eqauals card",,,,,yet resort to the damsel in distress when they are goosed at the roadside

you want eqaulity, you have it fix it

a tin hat adorned channa

channa

Poll says female cos it happened to me and I am female.

I have not, did not and will not "play the equality card". I was not a damsel in distress and I was not goosed at the roadside. Yes, I was inconvenienced, I was stressed, I was inappropriately dressed for the task, it was dark and I was in a strange city on my own, I was a little scared, and I am not as physically strong as a man and so the job took me much longer and required much more effort. But as I have said several times in this thread, it was not about equality, it was about helping out another person. It was about whether in today's society people are still prepared to spend 10 -15 minutes doing someone else a good turn.

This kind of reaction makes me wonder why I spend so much time, effort and money doing voluntary work on behalf of other people when I am accused of using my gender when I am in a difficult situation and no-one is prepared to come forward and help out another human being. I just hope you never need help from me Channa, cos my response will be "You're a man, you know it all, you're a hunter-gatherer and you're stronger and smarter than me (allegedly) so you obviously don't need any help from a useless weak woman so I'll just prance round here in my mini skirt and heels and tell you how clever you are when you've sorted it."

In another thread I have said that when someone makes a remark that I consider offensive I try not to reply immediately but to take time to think about my reply but on this occasion I am so angry because I feel that your comment above was deliberately inflammatory and so you absolutely deserve this response. This is the kind of attitude and comment that I used to hear 20 odd years ago from men when I was in the army, I certainly didn't expect to still be experiencing the same kind of chauvinism disguised as equality logic 20 years later. Shame on you.

Good job you've got your tin hat on.

 

[Firefox]

In terms of strength one of those extending wheel braces may have helped as noted before. That's the bit which I have trouble with sometimes, just getting the old nuts off After that it's generally plain sailing.

To WVW, I'm impressed you got the job done, and got under way on your own. Not because it's a gender thing, but because you weren't dressed for it and many people I know, male or female would take the easy way out and call the AA or the local breakdown service.

 

[n brown]

ah christ is it kicking off again?what is it this time,ah gender.brilliant.this could run and run.

 

[Firefox]

ah christ is it kicking off again?what is it this time,ah gender.brilliant.this could run and run.

It could do... it's like those race debates on the radio. People can get mistreated on both sides from both ways and in hidden ways, so feelings run deep. I guess all you can do is make as level playing field as possible, and within that give people assistance if they need it, or want it.

 

[Channa]

Yes, I was inconvenienced, I was stressed, I was inappropriately dressed for the task, it was dark and I was in a strange city on my own, I was a little scared, and I am not as physically strong as a man
I just hope you never need help from me Channa, cos my response will be "You're a man, you know it all, you're a hunter-gatherer and you're stronger and smarter than me (allegedly) so you obviously don't need any help from a useless weak woman so I'll just prance round here in my mini skirt and heels and tell you how clever you are when you've sorted it."

In another thread I have said that when someone makes a remark that I consider offensive I try not to reply immediately but to take time to think about my reply but on this occasion I am so angry because I feel that your comment above was deliberately inflammatory and so you absolutely deserve this response. This is the kind of attitude and comment that I used to hear 20 odd years ago from men when I was in the army, I certainly didn't expect to still be experiencing the same kind of chauvinism disguised as equality logic 20 years later. Shame on you.

Good job you've got your tin hat on.

inappropraitly dressed eh.......strange city too ... what a shame..

pith poor planning promotes pith poor performance,,,do you remember that......no place in my platoon sqauaddy go home and have babies...........your not even worthy of the crap hat.

hey i am playing again and you took the bait hook line and sinker......so let me be serious

I have daughter whom I hope I have taught to be courteous and instilled that her future she shapes and not under the premise she is female and behold to a male........nike just do it

I was winding you up but in one post I told you so, .......

I genuinely appreciate your have a go attitude, there are things we all dont truly understand.

if in your post life,making a diffeence good for you,,,

kindest regards

channa

 

[Firefox]

I keep a pair of ovvies in both car and van, also store one of those soft material thingies you kneel on while working in garden, in each vehicle. Keeps the decent gear, decent.

Cheers..........

Good move.

This thread has reminded me. I'll have to have a go at getting the wheel nuts off my 3.5 tonner, I haven't tried it yet. I don't want to get stuck and find I can't manage it with the brace supplied. I have got a huge torque wrench though, which will shift most things, so I'll have to carry that if they are too tight.

 

[scampa]

I had thought of starting a thread to discuss chauvinism and equality etc., but how could we stop those pesky ladies from adding their views to it?? (just joking everyone, ok??) :danger:

(BTW...good response wvw, I wouldn't want to be in poor Channas' shoes now! lol).

 

[Channa]

Good move.

This thread has reminded me. I'll have to have a go at getting the wheel nuts off my 3.5 tonner, I haven't tried it yet. I don't want to get stuck and find I can't manage it with the brace supplied. I have got a huge torque wrench though, which will shift most things, so I'll have to carry that if they are too tight.

get yer fishnets and high heels on ..... never know your luck:lol-053::lol-053::lol-053::scared:

channakins

 

[teemac]

i did this about a 12 month ago but to be honest i WAS with my girlfriend......i am not sure if i could say i would have done it on my own though?....today,s society make you sooooo nervous.. etc! :help::danger:

 

[whitevanwoman]

ah christ is it kicking off again?what is it this time,ah gender.brilliant.this could run and run.

Not as far as I'm concerned. I've said my piece, I have my own opinions and good reasons for those opinions.

But btw, the reason I was struggling? - the clip holding the spare wheel was jammed. The reason why it was jammed? The last person (the male tyre fitter) had put it back the wrong way round when I had a new front tyre 2 years ago and the old front one became the spare.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't - if I'd called out the Breakdown service, no doubt someone would have criticised me for doing so and for not doing it myself. But I ended the day more confident and with a sense of pride and that's what I'll take away from the incident. Enough said. From me anyway.

 

[Firefox]

get yer fishnets and high heels on ..... never know your luck:lol-053::lol-053::lol-053::scared:

channakins

Watch it, my torque wrench also has other uses ....

 

[barryd]

I had thought of starting a thread to discuss chauvinism and equality etc., but how could we stop those pesky ladies from adding their views to it?? (just joking everyone, ok??) :danger:

(BTW...good response wvw, I wouldn't want to be in poor Channas' shoes now! lol).

Just start it at Tea / Dinner time or just after. Hopefully they will all either be cooking or washing up!

 

[Channa]

(BTW...good response wvw, I wouldn't want to be in poor Channas' shoes now! lol).

merely a tremble ol chap,hell hath no fury like a doris scorned,,,,size 9 if you want to trade places,

channa

 

[scampa]

About three years ago I was driving South on the Patterdale/Kirkstone Pass road in Cumbria when I passed a man pushing his bike at the bottom of an extremely long and very steep hill (wvw will know the hill that I mean!). He looked exhausted already, so I thought I'd offer him a lift. He wasn't thumbing or looking for help, and there was a steady stream of drivers who looked more concerned about being held up by him rather than about whether he was ok.

I had to drive over a mile before I could find somewhere to turn around safely, then went back and offered to help. He very gratefully accepted a lift and I put his bike in the back. He was a Chinese student on his first visit to the UK, and was holidaying in the area for a few days. It seems he had hired the bike in Ambleside that morning and bought a tourists map, then cycled a meandering route up to Keswick, before heading East and then South to where I'd seen him. He must have covered about 25-30 miles of very hilly country, and was still almost 10 miles from his B&B. No wonder he looked exhausted!! I dropped him off in Ambleside and advised him to buy an OS map that also showed hills and contours, instead of just the pretty lakes!

My point is that this man was in need of help (although not asking for any), and that should have been obvious to anyone who drove past him. It isn't about chivalry or equality etc., just about offering to help each other out at times if we can. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think we'd all have done the same, wouldn't we?

 

[caspar]

When I was interviewed for my first job as a Headteacher, I arrived early on a foul day, pouring down with rain, and pulled up on the seafront to calm the nerves.

After a little while there was a knock on the window, I put it down and it was a woman wanting help changing a wheel - I was in my suit, 30 minutes away from my first Headship interview. I helped her, and arrived with about 5 minutes to spare covered in dirt, soaking wet and exceedingly embarassed. I asked for use of their cloakroom facilities to clean up as best I could, but I was still pretty disgusting to be honest.

I explained all, and went through two days of interviews before getting the job. Over the champagne, I was told that the state I'd turned up in and the reason why I was in that state had made such a good impression on the interview panel that it gave me a big advantage from the start as they could see I was genuine.

Definite yes from me!:lol-053:

 

[sean rua]

Another very interesting thread.
I haven't voted yet in the poll. In my day ( decades ago ) my answer would have been an immediate and unequivocal "yes".
It was the done thing to help folk out. Most people would, and few thought much of it. Well, that's how it seemed. Maybe we are/were all more positive ( naive, perhaps?) when we're young.

Nowadays society has changed, and the highway has changed. Although there has never been more people doing so little, it seems the majority are caught up in a frenzied hurry and rush.
Folk" haven't got time" ( the most precious thing in the world); folk are too scared to get involved.
Traffic has got too fast; many roads are too dangerous - from a fast traffic point of view - for stopping.
Even at traffic lights, folk are irritable and toot over the slightest delay if some poor bggr can't get going.
Road accidents are something to gawp at and mutter about for holding up "progress" while seeking the fastest detour around and away.

Then there is the influence of the media and the steady stream of fear -enducing propaganda that they pump out. Rogue this, cowboy that, muggers and conmen in all quarters.

OK, that's my somewhat cynical take on the general background, but what do I recommend? After all, no point just moaning and pointing out how the world ain't perfect. Everybody knows that, anyway.

First: get it together, BEFORE starting out.
Yes, idealistic, and easy to say, but how about this as a check-list?

* Get all wheel-nuts loosened at a tyre station and copper-greased before being tightened back BY HAND" to the correct torque. Personally, I never saw a wheel fall off because of a lack of tightening. In fact, imo, most people dog them up far too tight.

* Check out the spare and make sure it's easy to access and use.

* Carry a good light or warning flasher. Getting piled because some driver " couldn't see you" ain't no good.

* Carry overalls, gloves, cap, old rags, and swarfega.

* Carry a caplamp with headband.

* Carry a pipe or spanner extender bar.

* Be a member of a breakdown and recovery organisation.

And if none of that works, start praying while getting back into high heels and mini-skirt, because it means you're snookered and there ain't no way out that's not risky.

Anyway, I still haven't voted yet, but I suppose I would say something like : " can I help in any way?"
If this simple offer is rejected, then, all you can do is report the situation to the authorities ( if you wish), move on and try to forget it.

 

[georgert1]

Offer of help .

If you saw a woman on her own struggling to remove the wheel nuts and replace a flat tyre with the spare tyre, would you stop and offer to help?

1. Yes - I am male
2. Yes - I am female
3. No - I am male
4. No - I am female

I am male and would help anyone ,male or female, however I would get the person male or female to watch me closely so that next time they would be able do their own wheel change , safely and competantly.:hammer: