Peugeot boxer 2.5 td starting problem

barryd

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Hi

This has been going on for months and had happened before.

Our van is a 1996 kontiki on a 2.5 td. When I go to start it from cold it kicks out loads of blue smoke and coughs and splutters like it's only on one or two cylinders. 30 seconds later it's fine and once warmed up and away there is no smoke and runs sweet as a nut.

We had similar problem a year or two ago. Garage fitted new glow plugs and it was fine. Now they say it's not glow plugs. They had it ages and thought they had fixed it but it's just the same.

What I have noticed is the orange glow plug light on the dash which comes on before you start used to take ten seconds or so to go out now it's more like 3.

Surely with a common vehicle like this it must be a simple problem. It's driving me nuts.

If anyone can recommend a diesel specialist in the north east that would be good or give me an idea what it is. I'm convinced it's a glow plug issue.
 
Glowplugs

Hi Barry Sounds like the relay not suppling power long enough to fully heat the plugs. I think on my old 92 Ducato it was on the inner wing beside the battery. If you get someone to turn ignition on while you listen under the bonnet you will hear it click. Mine was around 8-10 seconds on a cold engine. Hope this helps.Regards Helmit
 
Update

I have been away and I still havent got it sorted so I filmed it on start up.

Sounds like its not firing properly at first, loads of smoke and the smell of diesel then 20 seconds and its fine

001.MOV - YouTube
 
hi

you can turn ignition to the light comes on when the light goes out count to 10 seconds then start/ had a Peugeot which did the same thing . That how we got round it
 
We had a similar fault on our 1997 Ducato whilst touring Ireland a few years ago.

Turned out it was a poor connection in line between the big relay mounted near the battery on the forward facing bulkhead and the rails which supply the coils. If you have a look under and slightly behind the bottom of the radiator, in about the middle, that's where we found corroded connectors.

Let us know how you get on...
 
We had the same problem with a 1995 ducato sunseeker we used to have. Ran it for over 12 months like that and it never let us down.Even passed its mot with no problems
 
Thanks. Will have a look but Im pretty hopeless under the bonnet.

I have tried leaving it ten seconds after the light goes out and its just the same.

Will get it checked out by a specialist I think but will look into the relay connection under the radiator

Cheers
BD
 
John Thompson said:
Darlington Diesel Engine Specialist : Garage Darlington - Diesel MOT Servicing

It looks and sounds as if it is starting on one or two cylinders then as it warms up the other are coming into play.

This could be lack of compression on some of the cylinders.
It could also be some glow plugs not working.

John
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Thank John but Im a bit confused by the link. It doesnt seem to be advertising a particular specialist. Just a general 0800 service number unless Im missing something.
 
barryd said:
Thank John but Im a bit confused by the link. It doesnt seem to be advertising a particular specialist. Just a general 0800 service number unless Im missing something.
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Hi Barry

I though it could be helpfull. You put your request in and they suggest suitable repairer in the south of Durham/N Yorkshire

The place I recommed is near Beamish Museum as I have had dealing with the curent owners father who was Les Hunter at Tantobie when I had my buses. Hunter Bros ran buses and waggons from before I was born. What they don't know about diesels isn't worth knowing. Another brother started Hunters Auto Electrics at Tantobie and his son is still running that business.

The diesel side is now at New Road Garage, Beamish between the Fire Station and Beamish Village. Les's son took over the business and moved there. They have been sorting out diesels for the past 60 years and test/rebuild pumps and injectors.
The new road is the old road, not the Beamish Bypass.

John
 
John Thompson said:
Hi Barry

I though it could be helpfull. You put your request in and they suggest suitable repairer in the south of Durham/N Yorkshire

The place I recommed is near Beamish Museum as I have had dealing with the curent owners father who was Les Hunter at Tantobie when I had my buses. Hunter Bros ran buses and waggons from before I was born. What they don't know about diesels isn't worth knowing. Another brother started Hunters Auto Electrics at Tantobie and his son is still running that business.

The diesel side is now at New Road Garage, Beamish between the Fire Station and Beamish Village. Les's son took over the business and moved there. They have been sorting out diesels for the past 60 years and test/rebuild pumps and injectors.
The new road is the old road, not the Beamish Bypass.

John
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Thanks John. You have indeed been helpful. A farmer friend (Im surrounded by farms) has recommended this company in Darlington Breedon & Gell, Darlington, County Durham, DL1 2PH - Contact Details | iCounty Durham as a Diesel Injector specialist. Im going to call them as I want to make sure they are general Diesel specialists as well as it my not be the Injectors. Apparently according to my friend these are the guys all the local garages would take their injector problems to so I may as well go direct to them.

If they are no good then the company in Beamish would be the next choice but if they want to keep the van it becomes a bit of a pain.

Will let you know how we get on

EDIT: I Called the company in Darlington and they only fix injectors and havent room for the van.

John. Is this the company you are recommending? http://www.dieselrepairsnortheast.co.uk/
 
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Thanks

I think ours has four as I have a memory of a similar problem a couple of years ago where the garage replaced them and I think there were four. It solved it then!

I have heard they can be awkward but from memory I dont think they charged me much so maybe not that awkward on our van.

I have emailed the company John Recommends but Im considering letting one of the local guys who works on the farm nearby have a look at it. If it is just flipping glow plugs or a relay then its pointless taking it up to Beamish.

I know what you mean about embarassing. On the CL in the video we had four caravans over Easter and you know how nebby they can be. I could feel them all staring at us when we fired up in a cloud of smoke!
 
Update

Got the van back yesterday finally! (Long story)

The chap that does the internal work recommended a garage in Newton Aycliffe near Darlington so I let them have a look. They said that it looked like glow plugs and indeed it looked like one had never been changed and was rusty and defective. They replaced all four at a cost of £126 (is that a lot?) and guess what....


Its no better!!!

Well perhaps slighltly but it clearly wasn't the problem.

Looks like injectors or fuel pump then. Should I just keep throwing money at garages until they get lucky and guess correctly what the problem is or bin it and get a caravan?
 
Hi there
I've the same problem and the diesel specialist here in Colchester have told me it just needs the injectors taking out and having them serviced.. I've a 1993 fiat ducato 1.9 td .
As I live full-time in it,having the time to get the injectors out and serviced all in a day..needs planning..
 
A set of 4 for my 94 Ducato were £52 from europarts so if you factor in about an hours labour it's probably about right.
 
Apache Two said:
Hi there
I've the same problem and the diesel specialist here in Colchester have told me it just needs the injectors taking out and having them serviced.. I've a 1993 fiat ducato 1.9 td .
As I live full-time in it,having the time to get the injectors out and serviced all in a day..needs planning..
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Thanks. Thats what a lot of people have said. Have they given you a price for doing this?
 
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