Parking Fine at Motorway Services

one of our smaller trucks, a 7.5 toner was clamped at a service area and money had to be sent before they would release the vehicle. )

A practise that is, hopefully, soon to be properly regulated?
 
Thanks for the help folks.

Just for the record here is what happened.

I got up at 6am with the kids, then did a full days work and left home at 7pm to go on holiday. Aim was to stop at the ferry port.

At 1am I was out of Fuel and very tired so decided to stop at the next services on the Motorway to rest. I am the only legal driver of vehcile.

Pulled into services and looked for signs to guide me to parking area.

There was a choice of Car or Lorry Parking.

I chose the Lorry Park as its usually with Motohome / Caravan area.

I parked in one of the Bays and took the dog out for a walk.

I assumed that parking at services was free but decided to look around for any obvious signs anyway - it was very dark and I dint see any.

Went to bed.

Woke up a few hours later and set off for the Ferry as we were running late.

Didnt think to check for signs in the daylight - so I really sont know if there are any.

GOt back from holiday to get the notice.

By the way - I dont actually mind paying to park I just didnt see any notice to say I should and nobodu approachem me to ask me to.

Also how is it that DVLA are allowed to give owner information to a Private Company?
 
Garth Quote:- "They are providing a service but it is our choice if or not we use them"

Not really on a Motorway its the only realistic place to stop if you feel fatigued - you can't pack on the hard sholder and there are no laybys.

Better to stop then Risk an accident!

But then an £80.00 claim makes you think - shall I go on and risk an accident.
 
What has not been mentioned is the signs clearly posted in the car parks at most if not all service areas.

It has. If you read the 2002 Act I mentioned at the start it lays down legal dimensions, size and font of lettering etc... for every sign that exists. BUT, the reason I didn't go into this is that if they have CCTV footage of you reading a sign, even if it's illegal as you rightly say most are, is that they then have argument of contract which you want to avoid.

Also, legalities regarding signage are blurred a little by councils passing byelaws. If they have, it should be referred to on the sign, but to my mind this is just blurring the issue.

This gentleman did not consent to a contract so there is no contract. It is unenforceable. Full stop! Keep it to the basics!
 
What I don't like are the signs just before the service area saying that tirdness can kill & to take a break. To me 2 hours is sufficient time to have a short rest before continuing, I agree that the costs are too high also from memory there is no option other than 2 hours free or 24 hours for an unreasonable amount. What would be fairer & probably more people would do it if they charged an hourly rate (personally on safety grounds they should be free or very cheap to encourage you not to drive when tired). Who wants to spend 24 hours on a motorway services :eek:.

There should be parking areas the same as on the continent with just a toilet.
 
bin it

Just got back from Holiday to find a fine from a RoadChef services we stopped overnight - I was to tired to drive any further.

Any advise from other who have been through this?

RoadChef have no special powers of arrest or inclination to hunt you down my advise is to bin it, but that's up to you , I always do when private companies try to "fine" me etc. Real parking tickets are more difficult to avoid, so try to not pick them up, thats the cheapest and easiest method. Good camping and dont be bullied.
 
How are they allowed details from DVLA?

I phoned DVLA and asked for details on the owner of plate XXXX and was told they could not give me the info.
 
How are they allowed details from DVLA?

I phoned DVLA and asked for details on the owner of plate XXXX and was told they could not give me the info.

If you were licensed to run a car park / wheel clamping company etc.... they'd give you the details.

It is actually possible to unregister your car with the DVLA but that takes you into a whole different arena.

Did you know when you register your car with the DVLA you hand over legal ownership to them in exchange for being allowed to use it on the road subject to their conditions -ie- road tax etc...? This means they're not handing out ownership details, only details of the registered keeper.

I could go on with a whole lot more but I won't!
 
No go on Caspar it is real interesting and this is a good thread.
I was also of the opinion of paying council or goverment tickets but not private ones,so at least i have that right :)

You are right of course in that the private firms are hoping you will pay the ticket and line their pockets which of course most do.
Its a bit like the very obvious scam emails we all get,if the scams did not work and no one fell for them then we would not receive them in the first place,dont be bullied people,doesnt stop the other half from fretting though i dont suppose.

Now Caspar what was that about the DVLA?
 
No go on Caspar it is real interesting and this is a good thread.
I was also of the opinion of paying council or goverment tickets but not private ones,so at least i have that right :)

You are right of course in that the private firms are hoping you will pay the ticket and line their pockets which of course most do.
Its a bit like the very obvious scam emails we all get,if the scams did not work and no one fell for them then we would not receive them in the first place,dont be bullied people,doesnt stop the other half from fretting though i dont suppose.

Now Caspar what was that about the DVLA?

How long have you got? It all stems back to your birth. Legally when you register anything you hand over entitlement / ownership to the corporation (and I use that word rather than person) you register it with. Hence when you register a birth you get a birth certificate, but hand over guardianship of your child to UK PLC. That is how the state can remove your child from you if it sees fit to do so.

Similarly when you register a car you hand over ownership of it in return for being allowed to use it subject to that corporations laws under statute law, NOT common law. This means you have to display a registration plate, tax it, hold a valid MOT etc... etc....

Going back to the birth bit, once given a birth certificate there are effectively two of you. Bear with me, I know this sounds stupid! There's a flesh and blood you called,eg, John: of the family Smith and there is a piece of paper, your birth certificate, which calls you John Smith. This piece of paper is known as your legal fiction and is what ALL official correspondance is addressed to - not you flesh and blood, the legal fiction you which is a piece of paper and so cannot represent itself in court etc....

You can see where this is going and it gets VERY complicated, but it is all true and lawful (there is a BIG difference between legal and lawful just as there is a BIG difference between being a person and a human being.)

When you are asked by the authorities do you understand? They actually are asking do you contract to stand under my authority. If you say you don't understand or stand under them, then things get interesting.

Unregistering your vehicle from the DVLA is quite possible and I can tell you how to do it. I am not for one moment condoning any breaking of law or using a vehicle in anything other than a road worthy condition and in a safe manner. (Did you know there's a BIG difference between driving and travelling?)

If you want to find out more, let me know and I'll send you links to a load of websites where you can get a lot of information. Rather than take over this forum, if you are interested e-mail me at davidlindley@sky.com and I'll e-mail you back!

It really does get very interesting and changes the way you start to look at things.

All the best,

David
 
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I would appreciate your thoughts and views on this topic of Parking at service stations on the Motorways. Firstly, I was under the impression that our road taxes was partially a means for building new roads and repairs of older roads, which I would think was inclusive of slip roads to and out of the Service stations. Question is, were the service station car parks paid through the Taxation or did the Private Companies that house their bussinesses on the service station build and paid for the car parks. If so, then it is fair to say they have a right to charge drivers for that privledge. If not, then I feel they should not charge for parking.
I have only been in this country since 2005, so have very little knowledge of the situation. My apoligies for my ignorance.
 
hi , not all but most service stations are leased not actually bought . they are part of the infastructure. it gets alot more involved than just owning and charging . they can charge but cant fine . fines have to be through a court . penalties are are what we pay if parked on yellow lines etc there are several pieces on the way to deal with courts . ie give them the birth certificate and tell them you dont accept their court . spend a few hours on the inter net and it .s all there . each one of us must find our own way through this lot of unlawfull unjustice , try it, do it at your own pace . there is no begining and no end . cheers alan.
we register a birth . we appear in a dock. it all relates to a distant past of admiralty law.
 
I would appreciate your thoughts and views on this topic of Parking at service stations on the Motorways. Firstly, I was under the impression that our road taxes was partially a means for building new roads and repairs of older roads, which I would think was inclusive of slip roads to and out of the Service stations. Question is, were the service station car parks paid through the Taxation or did the Private Companies that house their bussinesses on the service station build and paid for the car parks. If so, then it is fair to say they have a right to charge drivers for that privledge. If not, then I feel they should not charge for parking.
I have only been in this country since 2005, so have very little knowledge of the situation. My apoligies for my ignorance.

Hi David & Ann

Most of the older motorway service areas were built and paid for by taxpayers money. Then privitisation came along and they were leased by the government department to private operators. These leases have maintenance terms built into them as well as condition making it compulsorary that they allow parking for 2 hours without charge.

John
 
Hi David & Ann

Most of the older motorway service areas were built and paid for by taxpayers money. Then privitisation came along and they were leased by the government department to private operators. These leases have maintenance terms built into them as well as condition making it compulsorary that they allow parking for 2 hours without charge.

John

That is probably correct. What is definitely correct is vwalan's statement they they can charge, but they cannot fine you. They will of course try and send you very official, nasty looking letters, but not one case has ever been taken to court as I understand things.
 
If you were licensed to run a car park / wheel clamping company etc.... they'd give you the details.

It is actually possible to unregister your car with the DVLA but that takes you into a whole different arena.

Did you know when you register your car with the DVLA you hand over legal ownership to them in exchange for being allowed to use it on the road subject to their conditions -ie- road tax etc...? This means they're not handing out ownership details, only details of the registered keeper.

I could go on with a whole lot more but I won't!

An interesting point, but the V5 document says (from memory)" that the person mentioned is the registered keeper and is not necessarily the legal owner of the vehicle"
It doesn't say the DVLA is, or becomes the legal owner. So the the wording implies that someone else may legally own the vehicle eg hire purchase company or someone with a lien over it.
 
An interesting point, but the V5 document says (from memory)" that the person mentioned is the registered keeper and is not necessarily the legal owner of the vehicle"
It doesn't say the DVLA is, or becomes the legal owner. So the the wording implies that someone else may legally own the vehicle eg hire purchase company or someone with a lien over it.

All part of the con to tie you into a contract (or CONtract!!!!)! Watch this (a bit twee, but perfectly true):

http://www.landofthefree.co.uk/site...st-news/56-short-introduction-to-the-strawman

When you've watched that, go onto You Tube and enter Robert Manard - see what he says, or go to A Forum for individual lawful rebellion in all its forms or Google Common Law or Court de jure - read what comes up - it may start you on quite a journey. It's all VERY enlightening.
 
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Ok Thanks for all the replies.

So I have 4 choices:-

Pay £50.00 now or £80.00 at later date
Ignore all letters (or drop in postbox for return)
Send Rebuttle Notice
Send Caspers Letter

Ok Voters which should I do?
I'll go with the majority.
 
you can send them back and say nothing .then you are not in dscusion . they arent addressed to you . they are address ed to fiction. if you get in to dialogue you are forming a written agreemaent that you and they exist. you can just put unknown at this address and nothing more. at this stage the less said the better.
cheers alan.
 
you can send them back and say nothing .then you are not in dscusion . they arent addressed to you . they are addressed to fiction. if you get in to dialogue you are forming a written agreement that you and they exist. you can just put unknown at this address and nothing more. at this stage the less said the better.
cheers alan.
 
Send my letter - it works. But so would ignoring all letters or returning with no contract - return to sender on it. Just don't pay it!
 

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