Northumberland no overnight stay

[edina]

There are two signs on the same pole. one has a map, and defines a hatched area quite specifically on that map.
The other sign is on the same post and refers to "this Area"
If it were to come to court, I'm pretty sure the court would accept that "this Area" is the hatched area shown on the map. I can't make out what that is from the photo, though.

Think you'll find the hatched area is tidal, that's where lugworms live.

 

[runnach]

Do 'authorities' here in the UK (I presume you mean local authorities, as in councils) actually witness or are even aware of what is happening out in Spain/Portugal with mohos?! Now that would really surprise me. Cos if they really were 'aware' and actively looking at the whole 'moho' thing as a 'big picture' they would also be seeing on the flip side that aires are a good idea too. Just don't believe that councils have ever looked outside their own parochial state to overseas examples and applied those same examples back home.

More than happy to be proved wrong, though?

Plenty of town twining happens, Michelle works for Liverpool council there does seem a substantial team of researchers so I can’t prove you wrong or right but Scarborough council looked at models abroad to drag the town out the doldrums, but in their case councillors with vested interests clouded motorhome issues. By slapping bans on overnight parking on marine drive , backed up with a PsPo. Aimed at cars congregating at night but I couldn’t tell you whether Mohos are mentioned in that .

 

[in h]

Think you'll find the hatched area is tidal, that's where lugworms live.

Best not park or camp there, then.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Plenty of town twining happens, Michelle works for Liverpool council there does seem a substantial team of researchers so I can’t prove you wrong or right but Scarborough council looked at models abroad to drag the town out the doldrums, but in their case councillors with vested interests clouded motorhome issues. By slapping bans on overnight parking on marine drive , backed up with a PsPo. Aimed at cars congregating at night but I couldn’t tell you whether Mohos are mentioned in that .

Good points there channa. I'd thought about the town twinning too. Not every town is twinned, though, and one town doesn't constitute a whole county.

My only knowledge of town twinning comes from a handful of people I know who've have been involved over the years and mostly mention their embarrassment at exchange visits and how crap we are at hospitality in comparison to the overseas towns.

Gut instinct tells me that very little research will have been done about motorhomes abroad. Hard to prove as you say, and there is always the overriding vested interests of local campsite owners etc. applying pressure to persuade local councils to do things their way.

My brief entanglement with local council politics a few years ago left me gobsmacked with disbelief at the sort of crazy and totally counterproductive things that can go on at local level. I seriously doubt if that's changed much.

 

[mistericeman]

There are two signs on the same pole. one has a map, and defines a hatched area quite specifically on that map.
The other sign is on the same post and refers to "this Area"
If it were to come to court, I'm pretty sure the court would accept that "this Area" is the hatched area shown on the map. I can't make out what that is from the photo, though.

Good luck....
2 separate signs from 2 different councils prohibiting 2 different things.

However....
I'd likely just find somewhere else where I was rather less 'unwanted'

 

[barge1914]

Re my Spanish comment above yours Ral emptying cassettes seem more the issue.

On a cs at the moment a large behemoth of motorhomes here at the weekend , bar one all cleared off yesterday ,,,,one decides to open his grey tank and spill its contents all over the car park , I am well aware only water with a bit of food debris and detergent but what message does it send to those passing by ? This is the type of clown who at a spot like Bamburgh would get parking /wilding shut down it doesn’t take many to ruin it for everyone else

From what I could see coming through Bamburgh they’ve already got wilding shut down.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

... also interesting perhaps?

"The voters of Scarborough borough overwhelmingly voted for in favour of leaving the European Union".

Which would make me doubt even further the ability of that particular local council to look to Europe for inspiration and innovative ideas on how to deal with motorhomes.

If council staff (i.e. proper paid employees, not councillors) did do some research into whatever, the chances of getting their ideas off the ground will more than likely been scuppered by the local parochial councillors with vested interests. Or possibly vested interests of other council employees, not necessarily just councillors alone. I've seen this sort of thing happen first hand.

 

[barge1914]

There are two signs on the same pole. one has a map, and defines a hatched area quite specifically on that map.
The other sign is on the same post and refers to "this Area"
If it were to come to court, I'm pretty sure the court would accept that "this Area" is the hatched area shown on the map. I can't make out what that is from the photo, though.

If you’re referring to my photo, then good luck to anyone trying to park up on that hatched area...it shows where you can’t dig bait...on the beach!

 

[Toffeecat]

Ive just been up Northumberland. Stayed near Craster. If you walk into the village the left side overlooking the harbour almost %50 areholiday lets. Still they are building 6 new houses on the entrance to the village. Im sure the locals will snap them up, you know, starter homes, young couples from Craster starting out. Minimum wage couples. Well, just check out the homes and cost. Who do you think will be snapping upthese beauties?

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

4 bedroom detached house for sale in Plot 1, Parkburn Court, Craster, Alnwick, Northumberland, NE66 £495,000. Marketed by Bradley Hall Chartered Surveyors & Estate Agents, Alnwick

www.rightmove.co.uk

 

[izwozral]

There are two signs on the same pole. one has a map, and defines a hatched area quite specifically on that map.
The other sign is on the same post and refers to "this Area"
If it were to come to court, I'm pretty sure the court would accept that "this Area" is the hatched area shown on the map. I can't make out what that is from the photo, though.

I think the hatched area is where there is 'no lugworm digging', I certainly wouldn't want to park there given that the sea will cover that area! My guess is that the parking restriction refers to a car park but the 'in this area' is so non-specific, I reckon a good barrister could argue a good case.

Mind, it would be a damn sight cheaper to have paid a parking fine if one was applied!

 

[Pauljenny]

Second homers are a problem all up the coast,Whitby and moreso staithes as examples the local folk don’t stand a chance.../ SNIP

We started to look at houses in the Algarve, 16 years ago, after exploring France and Iberia for 3 full time years.
We had decided to eventually settle in the countryside, away from the tourist resorts and golf ghettos.
Houses were cheap and plentiful, as working-aged Portuguese had moved out to work in the cities, in the industrial north, or abroad.
The cost of living was much lower than on the coast.
There were not many buyers wanting to buy these complicated houses, many semi abandoned, no mains or sewers and bad roads

The aged population and younger locals laughed all the way to the bank, when we, " Estrangieros Burros / Thick Foreigners " , didn't bat an eyelid over handing over buckets of Escudos, to buy these, " unsalable " properties.. Then spending another fortune doing them up, bringing prosperity to these unfashionable backwoods.
Then came TV...
Your Place in the Sun, etc, and eventually the internet brought the " And Me Brigade" and sundry carpet baggers along, on its coattails.
AirB&B is exacerbating the problem.

Now have exactly the same situation where young workers can't afford to compete with rich pensioners for any small property .
We weren't to know what the future effect would be.
Should we and similar pensioners be forced to reduce the price and only sell to young local workers, when it's time to move on..?
And could we be able to afford to do so ?

 

[maingate]

Second homers are a problem all up the coast,Whitby and moreso staithes as examples the local folk don’t stand a chance.

Marie I know where raf Boulmer is I have two friends one was stationed there and the other involved with the on camp bar

Of course there can be many local reasons why people object , but what I am saying is when authorities here witness what is happening in Spain and parts of Portugal it is little surprise one potential cause of hassle is removed

My Brother helped to build it, it was his first job with the (then) Ministry of Public Buildings and Works. A number of years later he became Station Engineer at RAF Ouston and was given the added responsibility of also maintaining RAF Boulmer.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Now have exactly the same situation where young workers can't afford to compete with rich pensioners for any small property .
We weren't to know what the future effect would be.
Should we and similar pensioners be forced to reduce the price and only sell to young local workers, when it's time to move on..?
And could we be able to afford to do so?

No, absolutely not!

You did exactly what I would have loved to be able to do. Sounds like I'm contradicting myself, but the situation in Portugal is very different to Northumberland.

Most of the holiday properties in Northumberland have needed deep pockets to purchase for a very long time now.

Maybe 40 or 50 years ago you could pick up a property there for a reasonable price; there weren't the amount of private cars around to transport you to the more remote places and the demand just wasn't there. But by 'reasonable' I don't mean they were ever cheap!

A huge amount of properties in Northumberland are, or were, owned by the Dukes of Northumberland. They've always been greedy b**g*rs so would want top dollar for whatever they were selling off, regardless of what era you talk about, so out of the reach of most ordinary people even back then.

Where I used to holiday as a child there were only had a small handful of holiday properties, the rest lived in full time by local residents.
That situation has completely reversed now. Ordinary residents couldn't afford properties when they came on the market and definitely couldn't compete with holiday incomers, many from the South, with fat wallets who wanted to have a bolthole in a beautiful part of the world.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Ive just been up Northumberland. Stayed near Craster. If you walk into the village the left side overlooking the harbour almost %50 areholiday lets. Still they are building 6 new houses on the entrance to the village. Im sure the locals will snap them up, you know, starter homes, young couples from Craster starting out. Minimum wage couples. Well, just check out the homes and cost. Who do you think will be snapping upthese beauties?

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

4 bedroom detached house for sale in Plot 1, Parkburn Court, Craster, Alnwick, Northumberland, NE66 £495,000. Marketed by Bradley Hall Chartered Surveyors & Estate Agents, Alnwick

www.rightmove.co.uk

Professional commuters, or folk looking for a holiday home in a beautiful part of the country.
Both need to be pretty wealthy or earning very good money to start with

 

[trevskoda]

Homes at good money here.

 

[peter palance]

Good points there channa. I'd thought about the town twinning too. Not every town is twinned, though, and one town doesn't constitute a whole county.

My only knowledge of town twinning comes from a handful of people I know who've have been involved over the years and mostly mention their embarrassment at exchange visits and how crap we are at hospitality in comparison to the overseas towns.

Gut instinct tells me that very little research will have been done about motorhomes abroad. Hard to prove as you say, and there is always the overriding vested interests of local campsite owners etc. applying pressure to persuade local councils to do things their way.

My brief entanglement with local council politics a few years ago left me gobsmacked with disbelief at the sort of crazy and totally counterproductive things that can go on at local level. I seriously doubt if that's changed much.

the shops dont like your,? money ok wolfy pj

 

[Moonraker 2]

I agree with fisherman, motor homers are blamed without proof.
I Parked up in a lovely carpark in Scotland, a mini arrived, 20 minutes later windows were wound down, all Macdonald's paraphernalia thrown out, reverse and gone.
Who would have been blamed, me probably if I had stayed.
Spain has good stopping places all over but unfortunately most people seem to want their front wheels in the sea. Perhaps the authorities need to organize, put water and toilet facilities in and charge, like they do in France down the west coast to Biarritz.

 

[GreggBear]

Seen similar behaviour myself, always pick the rubbish up sometimes even in full view of the dirty b******s who threw it out. Never seems to shame them tho, some people just genuinely don't seem to care about the issue

 

[molly 2]

I've thought for a long time that there should be more restrictions on second-homers, especially where the 'second home' is for holiday purposes only, and especially where it is used purely for family/friends and stands empty most of the year. Similarly the 'investment belt properties' in London owned by Russian, Arab yada yada million/billionaires etc. where many properties are totally unlived in, just seen as an alternative to the stock market to sink their money into.

Life is like a sh#t sandwich , the more bread you have the less sh#t you have to eat .

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Seen similar behaviour myself, always pick the rubbish up sometimes even in full view of the dirty b******s who threw it out. Never seems to shame them tho, some people just genuinely don't seem to care about the issue

I have been known to directly confront folk littering, and not in a polite way.

Shamed a couple walking down the street once, unwrapping packet of fags and chucking every layer away at each step.

Don't know whether it was my very loud voice or the extremely bad language, but they sharp scuttled back and picked it all up. Never seen such red faces. Result!

Other times I have just had insults back, usually from kids, once from a young mother with 2 kids in the car eating a McDonald's and then dumping the rubbish straight out of the driver's window onto the ground. The worst of it, there was actually a large bin within reach of her arm, she didn't even need to open the car door and get out and walk!

Long overdue compulsory sterilisation, hand me the choppers someone.