moderation poll

Should Phil ban the members that keep starting arguments or abusing other members?

  • Yes

    Votes: 288 91.4%
  • No

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Total voters
    315
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Banning abuses

It seems to me that the operative word is," keep," in the phrase, "keep abusing members." so I think it fair to have one warning and then a ban. There's nothing wrong in expressing an opinion but to abuse is to inflate the situation to an unacceptable level. Therefore they deserve what they get.
 
ive not read this thread in its entirety and not voted either.... i dont think there is a simple yes or no answere.... one forum i use you wouldnt beleive the abuse that goes on between members...

I didn't vote either, I haven't spent enough time on the forum recently to be able to make a fair comment or decision. Forums have always been a haven for frustration and keyboard warriors together with misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

A confident member with lots to share but a poor vocabulary and writing style can easily be seen as aggressive or arrogant which often produces more aggression and then of-course there will always be those who take-out their day-to-day frustrations at the keyboard.

Amongst us are depressives, mostly undiagnosed depressives who might disagree with just about anything, criticise just about anything and contribute nothing but negative responses.

I always found this forum to be OK when I was active, not quite sure why I became less-active. Maybe it was the £15. I'm such a skin-flint.
 
I like Byronics idea of a 'dislike' function which would automatically lock a thread if it was getting out of hand. I cannot see it being abused but then again, the low cunning of members is not to be underestimated. :lol-061:

Low cunning eh thats rich, you've hijacked my post just to get +4 likes, that's cunning I reckon? I've only managed to get 2......lol.
 
Yes, but whose problem is it.

#1 One version says that since Phil owns the forum and Phil makes money out of it by selling a service that people are willing to pay for, then it is in his interest to keep it as a forum that most people ARE willing to pay for. This won't happen if Phil's standards aren't at least close to those of the majority so the majority are satisfied.

Presumably this requirement can be translated as being a forum that is informative or serves as a substitute religion or agony-aunt column or whatever and since that is most likely to mean that extremists of any persuasion are not welcome, wouldn't cracking down on those extremists that also solve the problems of the vast majority of members.

So then the problem is, whose standards should be applied. Mine??, yours????

No!!!! Phil's

Why??

Go to #1 above

Don't agree??

Then find another forum or start one of your own.

Easy!!!!

I think that ultimately it must be Phil's standards as he owns the forum, but I would hope that he would apply those standards sensibly and with regard to the differing views on this subject. It's quite clear that many people think that it's a storm in a tea cup and that there is nothing wrong with a robust argument, which can always be ignored. And of course there are those for whom an argument, even though it doesn't involve them, seems to cause them some distress, to the extent that they constantly complain and even start new threads to complain. For myself I find this odd. If a row starts in a thread and it's a thread or subject that has little interest I simply watch it with a detached amusement. It's not about me, it doesn't affect me, why should I get all worked up?

So yes, it's Phil's forum and, to really get me banned, I am going to say this. Perhaps because he's trying to be nice and moderate, Phil can be his own worst enemy. For ages now he has vacillated and huffed and puffed about the forum rules and how people will be banned, but no constructive system emerges and now we have this latest and, in my view, utterly pointless opinion poll, the main purpose of which has been to give the serial complainers a platform to denigrate those whom they don't like.

If Phil wants some advice from another small businessman who runs his firms with what I hope is a firm but fair hand, he should stop this procrastination and put in a simple system to curb what he may consider is a member's excesses. I don't want to lose any of my staff as hiring new ones is expensive and time-consuming. If people are misbehaving I give them a verbal warning. If it continues they get a written warning and eventually a final written warning after which it's the sack. We sack hardly anyone.

So first of all, declare a general amnesty and allow everyone to start afresh, with a plea that people should not only be more polite in their posts but, and in my opinion, more importantly, should refrain from allowing personal animosities from previous clashes to influence their dealings with other members.

He should then ban transgressors for two weeks, or a month, whatever period he considers suitable. After three bans he should ban them completely.

To impose the ultimate sanction immediately is unfair and unjust. Some of us have very different views on what is considered acceptable debate. My tolerance level is quite high, some seem to be incredibly low and members need to learn what Phil's level is, which is why short-term bans will at least enable us to understand what he considers unacceptable.

So to Phil, in a nutshell, delete this pointless thread, which has done nothing whatsoever to create harmony and has increased the disharmony with which you are unhappy. Scrap the poll and start again with a fair and sensible system of moderation.
 
ALternstives

I can think of 2 alternatives:

1. 2 warnings then remove member (or just 1 warning)

2. Name and shame

Or a combination of both
 
I think all reasonable people expect polite behaviour on forums.
They are platforms for expressing opinions, seeking and giving information and keeping in touch with communities which share a common interest.

There should be no place for abusive or threatening behaviour and anyone responsible for such conduct and subject to complaints, should first be warned privately by email, and if the behaviour continues should be banned from the site.
Of course they could try re-registering using another name, but their email address could also be added to a "blacklist".
 
Who's bothered, it's usually the same old farts, sorry faces bickering amongst themselves trying to get the last word. Just put them in them naughty corner until they grow up, .................................................... or get a life.
 
Well I've had a lot better things to do this week end than spend my time on computer, I personally have a life to lead.

John.
 
I am currently away at the July members meet and have another inbox full of complaints.

I have a passive approach to moderation of this website and try to be tolerant.
People can have bad days or too much alcohol and make mistakes. So it is a shame to ban people unless they are repeat offenders.
Currently we have a problem with some members fighting and bickering on the site, this does damage this website and it does make people not want to visit or post.

I do not want the actions of a few to ruin it for the others.

The poll is private so no one will know which way you have voted.

So here is a poll question....

Should the admin ban the members that keep starting arguments or abusing other members?

YES absolutely,these people do not contribute anything towards the forum and are merely and cowardly in my opinion,mouthing off to give themselves an egotistic,chest beating bigoted,bullying display. Get rid and let us all have more meaningful discussions without them.
 
Well I've had a lot better things to do this week end than spend my time on computer, I personally have a life to lead.

John.

Mmmm, it looks to me as though you've just been spending some time on your computer! Which we all do of course in between the very varied and enjoyable lives that I'm sure most members have. I've no problem combining the two.
 
YES absolutely,these people do not contribute anything towards the forum and are merely and cowardly in my opinion,mouthing off to give themselves an egotistic,chest beating bigoted,bullying display. Get rid and let us all have more meaningful discussions without them.

And you speak with the vast experience of someone making his very first post on this forum, and an inflammatory and unreasonable one at that? So, since you joined four months ago, what have you contributed to this forum?
 
Hi

haven't been here long (and probably haven't posted yet) but have been on and ran forums in the past.

it is a difficult call as to how this is handled. 3strikes and your out is generally good enough.

for that to work properly tho Phil would need to ban IP addresses. not sure how easy this would be but i guess
that due to the new cookies law this should make it easier.
that way the offender cant just create another account etc. which they would do if they are out to
be offensive or an invisible tough nut.
yes on forums people will not act like adults etc because it is anonymous so people will act differently
and sometimes they need to be treat differently.

the other side is everyone else can just be the bigger person and as soon as something starts just ignore it,
close the thread etc.

generally its always gonna happen, there will be no right way to deal with it. ban people for long enough and they
will not bother coming back or they may try with different details.
not rise to it and everybody ignore the person and they will get bored and leave or stop.

al
 
... especially given the very low worth of on-forum contributions by the "victor"...

I know you said later that the forum needs different types, but in the sentence above you are belittling the contributions of one person, who has put a lot of time and effort into the forum. That was what I was taking issue with.
 
I'm reasonably new to motorhoming and to this site and I have found most of the posts (and posters) to be friendly and informative. I don't post much because I frankly don't yet know what I'm talking about. However, another reason for being wary about dipping my toe into the forums is because of some of the reactions I've read to what I considered to be quite open and honest statements or questions. I think this site is amazing and I saw the worth in becoming a member quite early on. But it is a shame if people in my position (i.e. new to motorhoming and trying to increase their knowledge) are put off participating because of the fear of abuse and ridicule.

I agree with the majority of earlier suggestions on this thread. Rather than banning people outright, a '3-strikes and you're out' approach sounds the fairest way to proceed, this being based on feedback to the moderator (Phil?). I suspect that most people who receive a warning would be so horrified that their comments are viewed as abusive that they would amend their behaviour straight away and I don't feel that it will curb free speech, just unwarranted nastiness.

Good luck Phil.
 
Well I've had a lot better things to do this week end than spend my time on computer, I personally have a life to lead.

John.

DISLIKE.

This comment comes up on a regular basis and suggests the writer is self-elevating above those who live on the forum. A computer has become part of life and for many it's part of work so moving back-and-forth between whatever you do on a computer and a forum is quick and easy.

Not a very nice comment and doesn't help.
 
DISLIKE.

This comment comes up on a regular basis and suggests the writer is self-elevating above those who live on the forum. A computer has become part of life and for many it's part of work so moving back-and-forth between whatever you do on a computer and a forum is quick and easy.

Not a very nice comment and doesn't help.

No offence ment, I'm just fed up with all the bickering and negativaty just lately on here.

John.
 
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To ban or not to ban?

hi,
I think Ian81 has a good idea, 3 strikes and you are out.
Its fair by way of warning by the administrators and people cannot complain about being 'struck off' having been given 3 opportunities to tone down their response.
 
I'm reasonably new to motorhoming and to this site and I have found most of the posts (and posters) to be friendly and informative. I don't post much because I frankly don't yet know what I'm talking about. However, another reason for being wary about dipping my toe into the forums is because of some of the reactions I've read to what I considered to be quite open and honest statements or questions. I think this site is amazing and I saw the worth in becoming a member quite early on. But it is a shame if people in my position (i.e. new to motorhoming and trying to increase their knowledge) are put off participating because of the fear of abuse and ridicule.

I agree with the majority of earlier suggestions on this thread. Rather than banning people outright, a '3-strikes and you're out' approach sounds the fairest way to proceed, this being based on feedback to the moderator (Phil?). I suspect that most people who receive a warning would be so horrified that their comments are viewed as abusive that they would amend their behaviour straight away and I don't feel that it will curb free speech, just unwarranted nastiness.

Good luck Phil.

Exactly what dragonfly said :p
 
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