moderation poll

[n brown]

i know this is a 'wildcamping'site but what makes it a lively and interesting site is the spirit of the people on it. and the diversity of subjects,and the way that,as in real conversations,the thread changes and becomes something sometimes more interesting.i personally wouldn't change anything for fear of diminishing it

 

[ellisboy]

I was always told to ignore bullies and they will eventually go away,but you will always in life come across people who know it all,always right and forever trying to belittle others.Then there are the sensitive ones who get offended at the slightest things.Thats what makes the world go round, but I've noticed that the most insulting posts are made in threads that have nothing to do with Wildcamping or motorhomes,and are usually about politics or religion ( which as we all know is the biggest cause of misery and wars in this world).
So maybe these few trolls should go and start up their own forum where they can insult,be little and rip the crap out of each other.One member in particular who never seems to debate anything to do with camping or motorhomes and just seems to want to quote references from news papers! Their must be another forum to cater for his needs,not this one.
on the other hand ,I havn't read all the posts in this thread but looking at the individual post score,most of them are very low,lots in single figures, isn't it sad that they can't be bothered to contribute until there's a thread on banning people and complaining! So come on its your forum, you don't have to read every thread,but don't just post in a thread for complaining! We're all adults here

Ar'nt we :banana::wave:

 

[Northerner]

Not sure what we're differing about - can you explain?


The point, surely, is that we can be rude (depending on point of view - your 'rude' might be my 'very true') ABOUT people OUT THERE (the kids on my bus today were total morons) without being rude TO people IN HERE. You seem determined to defend people who aren't actually being attacked, just moaned about in a semi-private forum. Libel requires naming and accusing. The implication that some councillors are corrupt seems to touch your nerves unduly - I should think most aren't, I know some are - but if you think someone writing about it is daft, why not ignore them? You're not defending a particular individual's honour, so your identification with whoever you think is being attacked seems unnecessary, making a fight out of almost nothing. It's unlikely that anyone here thinks all politicians, local or national, are corrupt - or that they're all paragons.

Likewise, saying someone's a "mincing twat" might be unpleasant but it could be playful, using current idioms. Even the subject of the comment might not think it cruel. I wonder why you want to prove cruelty? Why are you stepping in to identify with the target? If you don't like how people express themselves, why not ignore them rather than challenge them? Why do you seem to feel you have to prove people wrong?


I've never met anyone who likes unfairness. I don't like attacks on groups of abstract people. But equally I don't like seeing actual people attacked, including in forums where one's guard might be down. Attacks coming at you from the screen in the safety of your own home can feel incredibly painful, which is why we need to take great care about what we say to each other. Identifying with abstract others out in the world to generate argument in here doesn't make sense unless you just want a fight, or like feeling hurt.


I read those threads - that's not what I understood anyone to be saying, but because you accuse people of it they feel they have to defend themselves - like the loaded question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" If anyone actually does think that anyone giving directions is trying to rip you off, they need help!


I don't think you are (or me, or anyone else). You're free to think whatever you like, and you might be right. You're free to say that you don't agree and that making those kind of assumptions is unreasonable. But unless you just want a fight, saying they're "hateful" is aggravation. And again, saying they're "unfair" looks like you're identifying too much with the target, trying to take things personally or are looking for a reason to fight, and means that debate can't happen because it hurts you, feels like a direct attack on you, when it isn't. Debate is easier without attacking each other - there are lots of online forums full of people personally defending and attacking everything... this one doesn't seem to be the right place for that.

Perhaps a rule of thumb should be - if you feel hurt by someone's post, leave your computer, go and do something else, then ignore that thread in future. It's pretty much how moderation works - suspending someone's right to immediate posting so they have time to cool off and think about something else.

Again, sorry folks for longwindedness and for any offence that might be caused - none intended. I have tried to edit this to fillet out anything tricky but I may have failed. I'm very interested in how groups solve communication problems, hence my involvement. If it's over the top, tell me and I'll stop.

Unfortunately we seem to have very different views. I see little difference between criticising a member of this forum and third parties. If someone came on here suggesting that all policemen are corrupt and that you'll never successfully prosecute a policeman because they're all bent, I almost feel it my duty to disagree and defend policemen in general. Mainly because I know several and know them to be honest. I see nothing wrong with that and if people wish to come on a public forum expressing such views they should, in my opinion, expect to be challenged. I suppose that part of my make-up is that I quite enjoy the challenge!

Anyway, Henry V is on the tele and the recorder is going and I'm now going to enjoy the Shakespeare!

 

[antiquesam]

Surely debate and discussion can be conducted without rudeness or abuse, humour can be just as effective. The thread seems to confirm that many people are staying out of the way because they dislike the thought of being "put down" by certain particularly vindictive elements. To find an interesting discussion and follow it through only to find it taken over by someone looking to be abusive is depressing and off putting. I for one was resigned to using the site for the POI only and not getting involved in rest.

 

[henryherald]

Don't follow the forum much personally, but if people are slagging other people off they should grow up and get a life. Life is too short to be bickering and fighting. My motto is. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. If you can't be civil and get on with others go somewhere else and leave those who can, to get on with their life in peace.

 

[Ifor]

For me, there is a huge difference to starting an argument and being abusive.

Unless every single member of the group shared identical views about everything, there would be arguments. In itself, that can be interesting and productive. Abusing other members is totally different and should not be tolerated by any of us.

 

[Northerner]

I was always told to ignore bullies and they will eventually go away,but you will always in life come across people who know it all,always right and forever trying to belittle others.Then there are the sensitive ones who get offended at the slightest things.Thats what makes the world go round, but I've noticed that the most insulting posts are made in threads that have nothing to do with Wildcamping or motorhomes,and are usually about politics or religion ( which as we all know is the biggest cause of misery and wars in this world).
So maybe these few trolls should go and start up their own forum where they can insult,be little and rip the crap out of each other.One member in particular who never seems to debate anything to do with camping or motorhomes and just seems to want to quote references from news papers! Their must be another forum to cater for his needs,not this one.
on the other hand ,I havn't read all the posts in this thread but looking at the individual post score,most of them are very low,lots in single figures, isn't it sad that they can't be bothered to contribute until there's a thread on banning people and complaining! So come on its your forum, you don't have to read every thread,but don't just post in a thread for complaining! We're all adults here

Ar'nt we :banana::wave:

Oh dear, yet another nasty little post having a dig at one person in particular, and a very inaccurate dig as well, as usual! And you complain about others, What a nerve!

 

[magnolia]

Another vote for 3 strikes and you're out.

 

[jamesmarshall]

Oh dear, yet another nasty little post having a dig at one person in particular, and a very inaccurate dig as well, as usual! And you complain about others, What a nerve!

"Once more unto the breach........"

 

[Hobbsy]

I havent seen the thread in quwstion but i think there needs to be a impartial moderator to decide who's to blame, give the culprit a warning next time there out! Life's hard enough without keyboard warriors ruining for others, iether that or arrange a cage and get it sorted i'n there, happy days!

 

[Jojo]

looking at the individual post score,most of them are very low,lots in single figures, isn't it sad that they can't be bothered to contribute until there's a thread on banning people and complaining! So come on its your forum, you don't have to read every thread,but don't just post in a thread for complaining!

I checked my own post score - quite low. Perhaps I'm one of the people you mean...
I think this thread is why... I only joined this community recently and - after getting very positive offers of help when I asked direct questions - the first few more general conversations I entered were full of accusations and personal attacks, so I held off - it didn't feel like a very pleasant place to be. I did what's often recommended - if you don't like it, ignore it. But, as many people have said, I think the more people are active in the forums, the merrier! If I can help make it possible for people like me who've to join in rather than hang back, perhaps my posts here will help. Perhaps not

 

[vindiboy]

I happen to think that this forum is the best one of the available Motorhome forums, there are one or two Members on here who come across as wanting to be superior to others in intellect and education etc, and must always have the last word, they appear to be permanently angry and get even angrier if they don't get their own way, I have crossed swords with a couple of them, but hope I have kept my cool and not got personally abusive, I am lucky in that I can take any abuse thrown at me and not get bothered, I have over the years been called all the bad names ever invented, sticks and stones etc,so that is water off a Ducks back to me. I was a Prison Officer for some time so have dealt with all walks of life with a smile.
We now have on here a special Forum for un moderated posts, so why not move any that appear to offend there? I realise that involves work for someone and you may not want to do that, Phil it is your site if you think someone should be banned [ even if that is me ] just do it , I don't see why you need to ask us it is your Forum.

 

[caspar]

A couple of very similar replies to mine, but only giving one warning no two. I have no objection to only one warning, I just stated what was done on other sites where I moderate.

The real issue tht seems to be coming through to me here is that if they don't stop after a warning, be that one or two, they shouldn't be here. Few, if any, of us want to read stupid disagreements. Stick to wild camping talk and stay polite - it's not actually rocket science and is hardly a lot to ask of anybody.

 

[maingate]

The good thing that has come out of this thread is the fact that members who never bother posting are finally communicating something.

I can only hope they keep it up. The more the merrier and hopefully more wilding spots should be announced.

 

[Jojo]

I almost feel it my duty to disagree and defend [***] in general.

That's my point. You don't have a duty to correct anyone's views, none of us do. Wading into debates to "defend" sections of society = kicking off a fight unnecessarily. Your need to "defend" suggests you feel vulnerable, personally attacked, so you attack back. Expressing a point of view doesn't have to be attack/defence. That you feel it does must make discussion much more difficult for you, and it silences other people.

Hope you enjoy the TV

 

[Mad Manx]

I don't post that often and I don't get involved in heated debates or bitching !I get enough of idiots when I am working.
I am a member of other forums where their is a list of moderators who have the power to freeze accounts for 24 hrs plus and if they offend too much they then get band!
How about that as a compromise as some times people just need a warning to calm down?

 

[Andrew Davies]

I checked my own post score - quite low. Perhaps I'm one of the people you mean...
I think this thread is why... I only joined this community recently and - after getting very positive offers of help when I asked direct questions - the first few more general conversations I entered were full of accusations and personal attacks, so I held off - it didn't feel like a very pleasant place to be. I did what's often recommended - if you don't like it, ignore it. But, as many people have said, I think the more people are active in the forums, the merrier! If I can help make it possible for people like me who've to join in rather than hang back, perhaps my posts here will help. Perhaps not

I wondered the same, but as I said I received the same email sent to every member and being in Phil's shoes elsewhere thought I'd post.

As I said I've seen the nasty comments, though not so much on the self build side and maybe that reflects having a purpose in building something, too busy (when the rain stops).....Hmm rain, on several bike forums we refer to the 'winter blues' when members get edgy like drug addicts we've not had a decent ride for a while, with the poor summer it might be a bit of cabin fever.

Any-hoo, if I'm a 'sad' person for having a low post count (only joined a few weeks ago!) and posting when directly requested, then I guess I'm 'sad'....

 

[The Rebel Camper]

Thisll cheer you up...

Carry on Camping - Pound! - YouTube :wacko:


This will cheer you all up now....

 

[Hughman]

Not sure what we're differing about - can you explain?


Perhaps a rule of thumb should be - if you feel hurt by someone's post, leave your computer, go and do something else, then ignore that thread in future. It's pretty much how moderation works - suspending someone's right to immediate posting so they have time to cool off and think about something else.

Again, sorry folks for longwindedness and for any offence that might be caused - none intended. I have tried to edit this to fillet out anything tricky but I may have failed. I'm very interested in how groups solve communication problems, hence my involvement. If it's over the top, tell me and I'll stop.

Well said, both here and in your earlier post. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Boots]

Hi All,

Just a quickie, having read all the posts up to now it was good to see so many people joining in and expressing a view.

I know my/this post is a bit off topic really but I have to say that even on this thread the 'same old same old' was starting to happen again!

Nuff said, apologies for being off topic.


Take care all,


Boots