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n brown said:
we rented a couple of acres and moved a static and a van onto it,kept all sorts of animals including rare breed pigs ,kept it all together ,very tidy, and got on well with our neighbours. planners got wind and evicted us 'regretfully, but rules is rules' , making 6 people homeless.
the owner rented it out again to a bunch of scrappies, place is filthy,covered in old motors,rubbish fridges-you know the kind of thing . planners are too scared to shift them. planners win i suppose,unless they're getting a backhander, in which case they win twice !
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i know a chap who could not get planing for ind units because the folk on street complained about it to council,so he asked the travelers to move in free for a while and soon after making a mess the house oweners relented and gave permision so he got his units in the end very shroud move he he.
 
well i'm certainly not advocating anything here, but a guy i knew wanted to enlarge his little scrapyard. a snooty guy from the planners came and started slooowly explaining to him why he couldn't, so he nutted him .
after paying his fine,and accepting 3 months suspended, he enlarged his yard. a different guy came from the planning to explain the planning laws a little more forcefully, so he nutted him.
he only did 18 months of the sentence ,and he's since grown his yard even more, but nobody seems to mind .
he can't read or write too well,but he knows how to fill in a planning request !
 
n brown said:
we rented a couple of acres and moved a static and a van onto it,kept all sorts of animals including rare breed pigs ,kept it all together ,very tidy, and got on well with our neighbours. planners got wind and evicted us 'regretfully, but rules is rules' , making 6 people homeless.
the owner rented it out again to a bunch of scrappies, place is filthy,covered in old motors,rubbish fridges-you know the kind of thing . planners are too scared to shift them. planners win i suppose,unless they're getting a backhander, in which case they win twice !
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Theres a way round that, which il be using if need be, although i should be ok as theres a precedent been set on another plot down the same track where someones got permission for year round use of a static, doing pretty much what i want to do on my patch, and the local planners and residents in village seem fairly amenable, it wont hurt that im going to supply free eggs and excess crops to locals to keep them on side. Im not going to post the back door route ive found but if anyones really interested send me a pm, its a bit of an inconvenience but means i can do what i want and planners cant do anything as im not in breach of planning. Ive used it before in a different area where the planning bloke was a proper arse but couldnt stop me, which annoyed him greatly, much to my amusement!
 
n brown said:
well i'm certainly not advocating anything here, but a guy i knew wanted to enlarge his little scrapyard. a snooty guy from the planners came and started slooowly explaining to him why he couldn't, so he nutted him .
after paying his fine,and accepting 3 months suspended, he enlarged his yard. a different guy came from the planning to explain the planning laws a little more forcefully, so he nutted him.
he only did 18 months of the sentence ,and he's since grown his yard even more, but nobody seems to mind .
he can't read or write too well,but he knows how to fill in a planning request !
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thats the norm round here,place is full of nutters.
 
Re instating a building

Anyone know what the rules are for re instating a building thats been knocked down? The concrete bit on my patch was used previously by council works department and had buildings on it, these have since been knocked down but the bottom 3 layers of blocks are still there as a wall, and they still show on the deeds at land registry and its listed as "land with buildings", even though theres only a couple of small sheds on it now. Would i be allowed to rebuild any or all them on the existing walls without planning?
 
I don't know the definitive answer but my guess is you will need permission even if only to get money out of you!
I think you will almost certainly need building regs which is cheaper than planning application.
 
Stu709d said:
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no offence but if you dont like the place then do what you did and go somewhere else, that doesnt mean someone else might not be happy to stay there. Im not advocating allowing the dale farm scenario to go unchecked, but some places are a bit run down because people cant afford to improve it, or the nay sayers wont allow them to, that doesnt mean the people arent nice or wouldnt improve it if they could. In my case my bit of land is down a private gated track, out of site and with no neighbours to upset, what i do there has absolutely no impact on anyone else whatsoever, so why shouldnt i be allowed to stay on it, in my own van, totally off grid, not even a water supply or electric, i dont want to build on it or fill it with pikeys, just keep some chickens, grow food, plant an orchard, dig a pond and generally look after the land, isnt that better than it being an overgrown unmaintained patch with all the appeal of your average roadside verge? If i could afford it id buy a farm but i cant, so this is the next best thing, and i dont see why its right that some fool who knows nothing about me can say i cant for no good reason other than just because they want to say no. The same idiots are the reason theres so many places like you went to, because they wont allow you to do it properly. No wonder theres a housing shortage and people are being forced to pay extortionate rent to live in some shithole you wouldnt keep pigs in, and if you dont work theyll even pay for you to live there, its a right pisstake, and those of us that do work are footing the bill for it!
Sorry for the rant and please dont take offence but it proper winds me up, ive been technically homeless for ten years, never claimed a penny off anyone and some fool can dictate to me what i can and cant do with my own land that ive saved for years to buy, but i can go be a workshy layabout and theyll pay my rent, council tax, and give me £60 a week for nowt, what a crock of ****
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Just do it, the 28 day rule only applies if you get caught :), hopefully if its out of the way you wont get any **** stirrer complaining, I personally wouldn't bring it to the attention of the Local Council unless I really had to. Good luck with your land whatever you decide, ya lucky bugga.
 
yorkieowl said:
Just do it, the 28 day rule only applies if you get caught :), hopefully if its out of the way you wont get any **** stirrer complaining, I personally wouldn't bring it to the attention of the Local Council unless I really had to. Good luck with your land whatever you decide, ya lucky bugga.
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I dont intend telling them anything, and unless theyre going to monitor me 24/7 i dont really see how they can enforce the 28 day rule, if they turn up im on my first day, turn up again im on my second, etc, etc Theyd have to make at least 28 visits to prove otherwise. Its always good to plan ahead and know what bullshit your gonna feed them though! There is one local whos a bit of a moaner apparently and walks his dog down the track so i dont think il be able to completely avoid any attention, im going to try and befriend him tho, offer him free eggs etc so hopefully he wont complain.
Thanks, not entirely luck, bit of hard work and determination, but i know what you mean!
 
izwozral said:
I don't know the definitive answer but my guess is you will need permission even if only to get money out of you!
I think you will almost certainly need building regs which is cheaper than planning application.
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Theres certain things that are permitted developement that you dont need to notify, im thinking single story garage/store, didnt know if the existing and previous mentioned above meant i could tell them to sod off if they turn up, on the grounds im re instating, rather than building new, also not sure on building regs, its effectively a brick built shed, do they apply for that?
 
Stu709d said:
Theres certain things that are permitted developement that you dont need to notify, im thinking single story garage/store, didnt know if the existing and previous mentioned above meant i could tell them to sod off if they turn up, on the grounds im re instating, rather than building new, also not sure on building regs, its effectively a brick built shed, do they apply for that?
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It used to be that anything fixed to the ground required building regs. If it was my land, I would just build it anyway & keep my fingers crossed stating that I am repairing the existing structure.
 
You could approach the C&CC with a view to becoming a 5 van site (CS/CL).
They would sort council, planning, insurance, the lot. No idea on costing or requirements but they would be able to tell you. Downside is you would be stuck with their rules

Richard
 
Tbear said:
You could approach the C&CC with a view to becoming a 5 van site (CS/CL).
They would sort council, planning, insurance, the lot. No idea on costing or requirements but they would be able to tell you. Downside is you would be stuck with their rules

Richard
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Youve got to have mains water and chemical toilet disposal, ive enquired about water for my own use, £2500, and only drains are rain, not sewer. Il keep using public taps!
 
Stu709d said:
This is what worries me, il stick to the wooden sheds i think, less likely to cause trouble, just wondered if the previous buildings remains meant i was entitled to replace.
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not unless it has its roof on then you can rebuild .
 
trevskoda said:
not unless it has its roof on then you can rebuild .
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Thanks, knew there had to be some kind of criteria. Knowledge is power as they say, its always best to know where you stand before you start a fight!
 
Sparks said:
I'd rebuild from the existing walls if it was sound enough.
Take plenty of pictures before hand though. They may argue that there wasn't anything there before your 'renovation'.
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I have, the "footprint" is also on the deeds at land registry, clearly shows 5 buildings, 4 large on the concrete, 1 small on the field
 
Stu709d said:
Youve got to have mains water and chemical toilet disposal, ive enquired about water for my own use, £2500, and only drains are rain, not sewer. Il keep using public taps!
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I don't know so these are questions but isn't a CDP just a soak away and surly most of the £2500 is to dig a ditch, put pipe in and back fill. £200 in the back pocket of local digger driver plus pipe and fittings plus connection fee equals a bit less. Just look at what they try to charge to replace a bit of clay waste pipe pipe. Got to be worth looking into for your own comfort and would increase the value of your plot a little.

Richard
 
Tbear said:
I don't know so these are questions but isn't a CDP just a soak away and surly most of the £2500 is to dig a ditch, put pipe in and back fill. £200 in the back pocket of local digger driver plus pipe and fittings plus connection fee equals a bit less. Just look at what they try to charge to replace a bit of clay waste pipe pipe. Got to be worth looking into for your own comfort and would increase the value of your plot a little.

Richard
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Cdp has to accept solids aswell, im gonna do a composting toilet for my own use but dont know if thats acceptable for c&cc. unfortunately the most direct route is across someone elses land for the water, and quite a long way, hence the price, assuming the other land owner allows it, if not its twice as far and involves digging along the verge of the public highway at the end of the track, then down the track itself, not going to be cheap anyway i do it i fear, isolation has its drawbacks! Ive dug down about 4' on my patch and hit groundwater so a well may be an option, and doesnt require any permissions either, im going to look into that further once im on site
 
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