MH storage

[Stu709d]

Hi all,
Just bought an acre of land near chapel st leonards with roughly a third as concrete hardstanding, down a private gated track. Have been thinking of using the concrete area as caravan/MH storage if anyones interested. Theres enough room for 10 without blocking anyone in. Im intending keeping mine there and living in it on site so will have 24 hr security and access.
Anyone interested send me a pm, will be available from first week in august

 

[jagmanx]

Possibly

My requirement is 6 months from Sept 29th.
However my insurance company (comfort) would need to be convinced.
You may have a problem with this unless you get registered with "COSSOA".
I suspect this may be expensive etc
I suggest that few would want to leave a vehicle anywhere it it is not insured.
Good luck but check out the insurance scenario

 

[Deleted member 20892]

Could open as an occasional overnight stop for those who have to leave Huttoft at 10pm.!

jt

 

[izwozral]

Every time we leave our MH's, whilst away from it, it is at risk of theft so, we make it as difficult as we can for the robbers by way of alarms & locks etc.
It seems to me that insurers want it all ways & make it difficult for people to make informed choices regarding where they leave their MH's.
You could have the scenario that Stu [opening post] rents space for MH storage, Stu blocks access with huge boulders removable by bulldozer only, he is on site 24/7 yet your insurer wouldn't cover you. Yet, you can park your MH in a town car park, drive way or lay-by, get it nicked & then with luck you may be covered.

Where is the logic in that?

No matter what decisions you make in life, there is always someone behind you who wants to make money out of you, by frightening you into thinking there are great risks in your decision making, therefore, they offer you a security blanket which in most cases isn't worth the paper it is written on.

Go for it Stu & I hope you get what you want without having to pay every Tom Dick & Harry a slice of your enterprise.

 

[jagmanx]

The difference is ..

Every time we leave our MH's, whilst away from it, it is at risk of theft so, we make it as difficult as we can for the robbers by way of alarms & locks etc.
It seems to me that insurers want it all ways & make it difficult for people to make informed choices regarding where they leave their MH's.
You could have the scenario that Stu [opening post] rents space for MH storage, Stu blocks access with huge boulders removable by bulldozer only, he is on site 24/7 yet your insurer wouldn't cover you. Yet, you can park your MH in a town car park, drive way or lay-by, get it nicked & then with luck you may be covered.

Where is the logic in that?

No matter what decisions you make in life, there is always someone behind you who wants to make money out of you, by frightening you into thinking there are great risks in your decision making, therefore, they offer you a security blanket which in most cases isn't worth the paper it is written on.

Go for it Stu & I hope you get what you want without having to pay every Tom Dick & Harry a slice of your enterprise.

You are in a carpark for only a short time. So a limited no of potential thieves see the vehicle.
In the same place for several weeks The "nasty people" will come up with a plan including working out when the owner is not there !
Also nightime presents more opportunity

 

[izwozral]

You are in a carpark for only a short time. So a limited no of potential thieves see the vehicle.
In the same place for several weeks The "nasty people" will come up with a plan including working out when the owner is not there !
Also nightime presents more opportunity

Good point but I also think a lot of theft is opportunistic, how many times have you heard "I only turned my back for a second" and.....

You could have a ring of Sherman tanks around your MH but you would still struggle to get insurance cover if it doesn't 'tick the box'or you are not paying another body a premium, on a promise that they are there to protect you but struggle to get them to meet their obligation when the need arises.

Perhaps I am being too cynical but it is born out of experience.

 

[jagmanx]

Opportunistic theft

Good point but I also think a lot of theft is opportunistic, how many times have you heard "I only turned my back for a second" and.....

You could have a ring of Sherman tanks around your MH but you would still struggle to get insurance cover if it doesn't 'tick the box'or you are not paying another body a premium, on a promise that they are there to protect you but struggle to get them to meet their obligation when the need arises.

Perhaps I am being too cynical but it is born out of experience.

Indeed Stealing from the Motorhome especially with valuable Items on display...YES..

Stealing the Motorhome....surely planned or by professionals (or Both) ..what do they do with it ?

BTW I agree with your general comments re insurance...Wont bother you with the details but I have suffered from 2 claims (not motor related) which were simply not paid in full.

 

[Stu709d]

Why is everything always so difficult!

Ok, thats gonna scupper that idea then, id have to charge too much to cover insurance costs if your own wont cover it. Maybe john t's idea would be better, make it available for overnight stays, although that then involves getting council approval unless it was on the qt. Its currently got approval for storage, and im registering as a smallholding so i can cover myself being there, to "look after" my animals, rare breed chickens and ducks. Also going to try for approval as a seasonal camping field, but i dont know if that would cover MH's, assuming i can get the approval of course, but the local council seem to be fairly amenable.

 

[yeoblade]

Do Pubs which allow/encourage stopovers have camping permission , I guess not.

 

[trevskoda]

Do Pubs which allow/encourage stopovers have camping permission , I guess not.

there is some silly by law which states 28 days then i think you require council approval.

 

[Stu709d]

Its 28 days per year in one place, not 28 per vehicle, and it applies even for tents, more than that your supposed to be registered as camp site or caravan park, and if your taking money from other people to stay its also got to be registered as a business, even for just one night, and therefore need change of use to commercial. Its bullshit as far as im concerned, i own the land, i dont want to build on it, but still need permission from someone else to be there, its stupid. I cant even sleep on the grass with no shelter for more than 28 days without permission! And you cant do more than 14 consecutive nights.

 

[izwozral]

That is freedom & democracy for you Stu!

 

[jagmanx]

Dale Farm !

I guess councils have these "rules" to prevent a repetition of the "Dale Farm" Scenario.
In many respects they are correct in "protecting" the nearby residents/landowners.
It might seem harsh but.......

I visited a Nursery which had
1 a very large modern house.
2 some really scruffy "permanent " caravans
3 at least 1 temporary resident

It was listed as a nursery and a camping site
No real sign of either of these....WE LEFT

 

[izwozral]

In Partington in Cheshire there is a very large house owned by a so called 'traveller family', in the extensive grounds are a number of caravans & many transit vans. It is common knowledge that it is supposed to be a van sales yard, yet no vans have sale signs on nor are the caravans empty. This same family also own four plots of land nearby that they graze their horses on.

Makes me wonder exactly what they have permission of use for & where they get the money to purchase all of the above. What I do know, it wont be by following rules & regulations that's for sure.

 

[Stu709d]

I guess councils have these "rules" to prevent a repetition of the "Dale Farm" Scenario.
In many respects they are correct in "protecting" the nearby residents/landowners.
It might seem harsh but.......

I visited a Nursery which had
1 a very large modern house.
2 some really scruffy "permanent " caravans
3 at least 1 temporary resident

It was listed as a nursery and a camping site
No real sign of either of these....WE LEFT[/QUOTE

no offence but if you dont like the place then do what you did and go somewhere else, that doesnt mean someone else might not be happy to stay there. Im not advocating allowing the dale farm scenario to go unchecked, but some places are a bit run down because people cant afford to improve it, or the nay sayers wont allow them to, that doesnt mean the people arent nice or wouldnt improve it if they could. In my case my bit of land is down a private gated track, out of site and with no neighbours to upset, what i do there has absolutely no impact on anyone else whatsoever, so why shouldnt i be allowed to stay on it, in my own van, totally off grid, not even a water supply or electric, i dont want to build on it or fill it with pikeys, just keep some chickens, grow food, plant an orchard, dig a pond and generally look after the land, isnt that better than it being an overgrown unmaintained patch with all the appeal of your average roadside verge? If i could afford it id buy a farm but i cant, so this is the next best thing, and i dont see why its right that some fool who knows nothing about me can say i cant for no good reason other than just because they want to say no. The same idiots are the reason theres so many places like you went to, because they wont allow you to do it properly. No wonder theres a housing shortage and people are being forced to pay extortionate rent to live in some shithole you wouldnt keep pigs in, and if you dont work theyll even pay for you to live there, its a right pisstake, and those of us that do work are footing the bill for it!
Sorry for the rant and please dont take offence but it proper winds me up, ive been technically homeless for ten years, never claimed a penny off anyone and some fool can dictate to me what i can and cant do with my own land that ive saved for years to buy, but i can go be a workshy layabout and theyll pay my rent, council tax, and give me £60 a week for nowt, what a crock of ****

 

[CAL]

I guess councils have these "rules" to prevent a repetition of the "Dale Farm" Scenario.
In many respects they are correct in "protecting" the nearby residents/landowners.
It might seem harsh but.......

I visited a Nursery which had
1 a very large modern house.
2 some really scruffy "permanent " caravans
3 at least 1 temporary resident

It was listed as a nursery and a camping site
No real sign of either of these....WE LEFT[/QUOTE

no offence but if you dont like the place then do what you did and go somewhere else, that doesnt mean someone else might not be happy to stay there. Im not advocating allowing the dale farm scenario to go unchecked, but some places are a bit run down because people cant afford to improve it, or the nay sayers wont allow them to, that doesnt mean the people arent nice or wouldnt improve it if they could. In my case my bit of land is down a private gated track, out of site and with no neighbours to upset, what i do there has absolutely no impact on anyone else whatsoever, so why shouldnt i be allowed to stay on it, in my own van, totally off grid, not even a water supply or electric, i dont want to build on it or fill it with pikeys, just keep some chickens, grow food, plant an orchard, dig a pond and generally look after the land, isnt that better than it being an overgrown unmaintained patch with all the appeal of your average roadside verge? If i could afford it id buy a farm but i cant, so this is the next best thing, and i dont see why its right that some fool who knows nothing about me can say i cant for no good reason other than just because they want to say no. The same idiots are the reason theres so many places like you went to, because they wont allow you to do it properly. No wonder theres a housing shortage and people are being forced to pay extortionate rent to live in some shithole you wouldnt keep pigs in, and if you dont work theyll even pay for you to live there, its a right pisstake, and those of us that do work are footing the bill for it!
Sorry for the rant and please dont take offence but it proper winds me up, ive been technically homeless for ten years, never claimed a penny off anyone and some fool can dictate to me what i can and cant do with my own land that ive saved for years to buy, but i can go be a workshy layabout and theyll pay my rent, council tax, and give me £60 a week for nowt, what a crock of ****

I completely agree. Would love to own a small plot of land even without any amenities just for a quiet life, but like you said too many bureaucrats get involved.

 

[izwozral]

I guess councils have these "rules" to prevent a repetition of the "Dale Farm" Scenario.
In many respects they are correct in "protecting" the nearby residents/landowners.
It might seem harsh but.......

I visited a Nursery which had
1 a very large modern house.
2 some really scruffy "permanent " caravans
3 at least 1 temporary resident

It was listed as a nursery and a camping site
No real sign of either of these....WE LEFT[/QUOTE

no offence but if you dont like the place then do what you did and go somewhere else, that doesnt mean someone else might not be happy to stay there. Im not advocating allowing the dale farm scenario to go unchecked, but some places are a bit run down because people cant afford to improve it, or the nay sayers wont allow them to, that doesnt mean the people arent nice or wouldnt improve it if they could. In my case my bit of land is down a private gated track, out of site and with no neighbours to upset, what i do there has absolutely no impact on anyone else whatsoever, so why shouldnt i be allowed to stay on it, in my own van, totally off grid, not even a water supply or electric, i dont want to build on it or fill it with pikeys, just keep some chickens, grow food, plant an orchard, dig a pond and generally look after the land, isnt that better than it being an overgrown unmaintained patch with all the appeal of your average roadside verge? If i could afford it id buy a farm but i cant, so this is the next best thing, and i dont see why its right that some fool who knows nothing about me can say i cant for no good reason other than just because they want to say no. The same idiots are the reason theres so many places like you went to, because they wont allow you to do it properly. No wonder theres a housing shortage and people are being forced to pay extortionate rent to live in some shithole you wouldnt keep pigs in, and if you dont work theyll even pay for you to live there, its a right pisstake, and those of us that do work are footing the bill for it!
Sorry for the rant and please dont take offence but it proper winds me up, ive been technically homeless for ten years, never claimed a penny off anyone and some fool can dictate to me what i can and cant do with my own land that ive saved for years to buy, but i can go be a workshy layabout and theyll pay my rent, council tax, and give me £60 a week for nowt, what a crock of ****

As previously stated: That is freedom in a democratic society for you! Don't you just love it. One thing for sure, the 'anti freedom brigade' in the guise of local & national government will always find a way to screw you.
It has always been the low paid in this country who get screwed.
It is always the free thinkers, those that want to live differently, those that live 'outside the box', those that are considered oddities or eccentrics, these are the people who are discriminated against. You are simply not allowed, you must conform & you most certainly shouldn't have free will.

The older I get the more anarchic I become & the more I want to opt out. George Orwell was a visionary & he got it spot on, in my opinion.

 

[Asterix]

I guess councils have these "rules" to prevent a repetition of the "Dale Farm" Scenario.
In many respects they are correct in "protecting" the nearby residents/landowners.
It might seem harsh but.......

I visited a Nursery which had
1 a very large modern house.
2 some really scruffy "permanent " caravans
3 at least 1 temporary resident

It was listed as a nursery and a camping site
No real sign of either of these....WE LEFT[/QUOTE

no offence but if you dont like the place then do what you did and go somewhere else, that doesnt mean someone else might not be happy to stay there. Im not advocating allowing the dale farm scenario to go unchecked, but some places are a bit run down because people cant afford to improve it, or the nay sayers wont allow them to, that doesnt mean the people arent nice or wouldnt improve it if they could. In my case my bit of land is down a private gated track, out of site and with no neighbours to upset, what i do there has absolutely no impact on anyone else whatsoever, so why shouldnt i be allowed to stay on it, in my own van, totally off grid, not even a water supply or electric, i dont want to build on it or fill it with pikeys, just keep some chickens, grow food, plant an orchard, dig a pond and generally look after the land, isnt that better than it being an overgrown unmaintained patch with all the appeal of your average roadside verge? If i could afford it id buy a farm but i cant, so this is the next best thing, and i dont see why its right that some fool who knows nothing about me can say i cant for no good reason other than just because they want to say no. The same idiots are the reason theres so many places like you went to, because they wont allow you to do it properly. No wonder theres a housing shortage and people are being forced to pay extortionate rent to live in some shithole you wouldnt keep pigs in, and if you dont work theyll even pay for you to live there, its a right pisstake, and those of us that do work are footing the bill for it!
Sorry for the rant and please dont take offence but it proper winds me up, ive been technically homeless for ten years, never claimed a penny off anyone and some fool can dictate to me what i can and cant do with my own land that ive saved for years to buy, but i can go be a workshy layabout and theyll pay my rent, council tax, and give me £60 a week for nowt, what a crock of ****

Well said!! Pretty much sums up my situation although I haven't brought a plot of land because of the tools with rules. It would be nice to have a piece of dirt to call my own and park up when I feel like it.

 

[n brown]

we rented a couple of acres and moved a static and a van onto it,kept all sorts of animals including rare breed pigs ,kept it all together ,very tidy, and got on well with our neighbours. planners got wind and evicted us 'regretfully, but rules is rules' , making 6 people homeless.
the owner rented it out again to a bunch of scrappies, place is filthy,covered in old motors,rubbish fridges-you know the kind of thing . planners are too scared to shift them. planners win i suppose,unless they're getting a backhander, in which case they win twice !

 

[trevskoda]

In Partington in Cheshire there is a very large house owned by a so called 'traveller family', in the extensive grounds are a number of caravans & many transit vans. It is common knowledge that it is supposed to be a van sales yard, yet no vans have sale signs on nor are the caravans empty. This same family also own four plots of land nearby that they graze their horses on.

Makes me wonder exactly what they have permission of use for & where they get the money to purchase all of the above. What I do know, it wont be by following rules & regulations that's for sure.

thats what they do here now buy houses and move after a few weeks to get round the laws as its not the same vans every week at same house,very clever sods.DO YOU NEED YOUR DRIVE TARED SIR.