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Clogged up with cars last year when we went there, they were still building the tram system.
Manchester LEZ zone from May
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They started the work in 2008, and finished in 2014. I don’t know what you saw last year possibly maintenance. But the current system fell well short of what was originally proposed. The original proposed system would have taken the tram through to Leith. But trying to install tram systems into modern cities is very expensive, would take decades in some cases, and is way to disruptive.
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We are in quite a large bungalow with an (adjoined) annexe to consider as well. Underfloor heating is not an option unfortunately.
I think at the moment the government offer is up to £1500 per year for 7 years.
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Crikey, they have brought it right to the Yorkshire boundary.
Re travelling to Hollingworth Lake.....I travel via Huddersfield, Sowerby Bridge and Ripponden.
Peter,
You can get over to our side via Holme moss to Holmfirth.
I think it will be the end of the road for me.
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Our lad lives in Levenshulme and when I walk around there, particularly near the railway station junction on Albert Road, you can taste the pollution in the air. In common with many cities harsh acceleration and braking is the norm and there is a propensity for people sitting with engines idling for far too long.
I’ve walked past idling vehicles on my way to the shop and they’ve been the same on the way back ten minutes later. Last time I was out with the grandkids a Mustang passed us and parked a couple of hundred metres down the road. Sure as eggs when we walked past the car was idling away with the driver chatting away on the phone.
The howls of protest that accompanied the closing off of some side road “ rat runs” were notable along with some drivers manoeuvring around the planters at road ends and tipping them over. It has improved the areas behind the main roads but probably increased traffic on them.
It seems the people of Manchester deserve cleaner air but, in common with us all, we want the ease of car use. Something will have to change for the sake of public health alone.
From the motorhome use point of view I can see no logical reason for charging at all given the low numbers and infrequent use of these vehicles. The trade vans etc should be cut a bit of slack for a couple of years and the manufacturers will have time then to clean up emissions as demand grows.
A clean air zone is not a bad thing but it cannot be imposed all at once as has happened in Bath for instance.
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I’ve walked past idling vehicles on my way to the shop and they’ve been the same on the way back ten minutes later. Last time I was out with the grandkids a Mustang passed us and parked a couple of hundred metres down the road. Sure as eggs when we walked past the car was idling away with the driver chatting away on the phone.
The howls of protest that accompanied the closing off of some side road “ rat runs” were notable along with some drivers manoeuvring around the planters at road ends and tipping them over. It has improved the areas behind the main roads but probably increased traffic on them.
It seems the people of Manchester deserve cleaner air but, in common with us all, we want the ease of car use. Something will have to change for the sake of public health alone.
From the motorhome use point of view I can see no logical reason for charging at all given the low numbers and infrequent use of these vehicles. The trade vans etc should be cut a bit of slack for a couple of years and the manufacturers will have time then to clean up emissions as demand grows.
A clean air zone is not a bad thing but it cannot be imposed all at once as has happened in Bath for instance.
Cheers
H
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Gridlocked from St Andrews Square to Newhaven.
Due to be finished 2023.
We stayed in leith
If they want cars, trucks and other vehicles out of high populated areas for health reasons a tax to drive there is not a deterrent for most of the UK's population.....
The city of London's congestion charge keeps on expanding
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Most people in Scotland felt that the decision to build the tram system in Edinburgh opposed to upgrading the M9 to dual carriageway all the way to Inverness was wrong. Unfortunately politics got in the way, the SNP who were in their first term in power, but in a minority government were out voted on the proposal. Surely improving the road network to Inverness and other towns north of Perth would have been less expensive, and offered more for the people of Scotland. And for the record I don’t vote SNP.
Also London has one of the best tube systems in the world which is still being expanded yet suffers from terrible pollution. Part of the problem being that London sits in a sink where the centre is lower than the outskirts worsening the pollution. The fact is the LEZ has made little difference if you compare it prior to the LEZ first being set up. But as we don’t know what level of traffic would be in use today it’s hard to decide if it’s viable.
But simply improving public transport and reducing costs won’t work. Sadly we will just have put up with this until levels fall lower in future.
Also London has one of the best tube systems in the world which is still being expanded yet suffers from terrible pollution. Part of the problem being that London sits in a sink where the centre is lower than the outskirts worsening the pollution. The fact is the LEZ has made little difference if you compare it prior to the LEZ first being set up. But as we don’t know what level of traffic would be in use today it’s hard to decide if it’s viable.
But simply improving public transport and reducing costs won’t work. Sadly we will just have put up with this until levels fall lower in future.
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I expect the boundary will be the M25 before long.
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The problem with public transport Bill is that it is not always safe.
I would not be happy if Julie or my daughter or granddaughter had to travel to some places on public transport.
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It will certainly put a stop to a good few members being able to go to the Littleborough meets
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500 square miles apparently?
you can still drive THROUGH the zone on the major trunk roads and motorways without charge - you don't necessarily have to avoid the entire area, but it would certainly put me off going to the GM area to stop over in the future at a basic cost of £120 minimum. Plenty of other locations to visit.
(next visit within that zone likely to be next month, and more than likely that will be the last.)
you can still drive THROUGH the zone on the major trunk roads and motorways without charge - you don't necessarily have to avoid the entire area, but it would certainly put me off going to the GM area to stop over in the future at a basic cost of £120 minimum. Plenty of other locations to visit.
(next visit within that zone likely to be next month, and more than likely that will be the last.)
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Ok so I emailed my local councillor and asked why they had included the outer ring road in The City of Bradfords CAZ and explained that to mot my motorhome it would add another £50/£60 just to drive 2 miles to the mot garage and if it was kept overnight that would double I got a reply this morning so anyone having the same issues worth asking.
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The fogs are a lot better than when I was kid because everyone and the London power stations used to burn coal, now it looks like the M25 will become the boundary for the ULEZ.
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You could hardly call it a system ! Now being extended to Granton/Newhaven as per original plan [?] . This will make the tram LINE a bit longer
Manchester already has a tram system . Used it a few years ago and was quite impressed .
Edinburgh , unlike many European equivalents , has never bit the bullet regards traffic , particularly in the Old Town . They have widened pavements , changed traffic light sequences etc hoping to annoy the motorist enough to chase them away .
It will be a major problem driving wise for me personally but they need to properly pedestrianise the Old Town
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Spot on, Glasgow went the opposite way with its five motorways.
Most journeys in Glasgow involve getting onto a motorway, then coming off close to your destination. In Edinburgh it’s a nightmare for motorists. But the tram was unable to take the shortest and most viable route into the bargain. For me the tram is no better than a good bus service from the airport. And when you think that the alternative would have been a dual carriageway all the way to Inverness, it made no sense whatsoever.
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There were plans to build a ring route through the heart of the Old Town . Thankfully it was scrubbed .
Timed the airport bus a while back . Waverley Bridge [virtually my doorstep] to airport door 25 minutes . Think the tram was a vanity [bung?] project .
Not sure about reference to Inverness dual carriageway ?
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First before I start I am not an SNP fan, but I did support them on this Alcam.
When the SNP first came to power in Scotland there was debate as too wether or not we should build the vanity project, or upgrade the A9 to dual carriageway all the way from Perth to Inverness. The SNP were a minority government then, they wanted to upgrade the A9, but I reckon out of spite Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Tories voted for the vanity project. All these years later we are still upgrading the A9 in stages, but if we had abandoned the vanity project there would have been a dual carriageway by now between Perth and Inverness, and not only would it have greatly improved travel to the Highlands, but we would have saved many lives. The vanity project was not only a waste of money, it is incomplete, and created havoc for years whilst being installed.
Upgrading A9 'more relevant than trams' campaigner says
A campaigner for improvements to the A9 says improving the route is more relevant than giving Edinburgh trams.
www.bbc.co.uk
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This is one of the new signs, where they had to cut down trees so that it can be seen
