Manchester LEZ zone from May

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Well worth watching for Manchester, and this will be a template for other cities in future.
Anyone driving a Motorhome over 3500kg should watch this video, but more than worth the watch for us all.

 
Coming to a city near you..............along with motorway tolls, car exclusions zones, higher fuel prices, higher car tax, higher insurance, higher prices generally.

The cost of Cop26 and if you think that's bad, wait until Cop27-28-29....comes along.
 
izwozral said:
Coming to a city near you..............along with motorway tolls, car exclusions zones, higher fuel prices, higher car tax, higher insurance, higher prices generally.

The cost of Cop26 and if you think that's bad, wait until Cop27-28-29....comes along.
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I spoke to Tom yesterday Ral. He reckons it won't be worth leaving the house in the van before too long!
 
izwozral said:
He could well be right Rob.
Manchester had a public vote a few years ago whether there should be LEZ, it was a resounding NO, this time around there was no vote, just imposition.

Isn't it great living in the free world?
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Yeah but they're obviously thinking about public health rather than extracting money out of your pocket Ral? Because they're obviously caring kind of people. :unsure:
 
It wouldn’t be too bad if it was just Manchester City but it covers a large area

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As Ral said, it's coming to a city near you - and not just the city itself.

I'm seriously thinking of selling the van. I will continue to motorcycle camp with my mates and if Julie is with me we can use B&B's as it will be the cheaper option.

I wonder how many Caravan sites are within that area who will now lose custom from Motorhomes?
 
Fisherman said:
Well worth watching for Manchester, and this will be a template for other cities in future.
Anyone driving a Motorhome over 3500kg should watch this video, but more than worth the watch for us all.

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The scheme seems fair to me. This is not so much about climate change as about Manchester people's lungs. Only old generally large, dirty diesel vehicles are penalised. Most large motorhome owners will have a car to get into Manchester, or they can pay after 2023 for the damage they cause.
 
Welcome to the LEZ club.
In effect it restricts what vehicles I can buy regardless of mileage covered because of the charges, and the ULEZ tougher restrictions, motorcycles as well.
 
Derekoak said:
The scheme seems fair to me. This is not so much about climate change as about Manchester people's lungs. Only old generally large, dirty diesel vehicles are penalised. Most large motorhome owners will have a car to get into Manchester, or they can pay after 2023 for the damage they cause.
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Sorry I disagree. It's about money.

Euro 6 vehicles will be penalised when Euro7,8,9 etc come in. I seriously don't believe that they give a toss about the health of the great unwashed.
 
If the issue was climate change euro 6 is as bad as euro 5 the difference is the particulates and nitrous oxides. I am more sympathetic for the lungs of millions than the loss of some older vehicles. I do not know the loss of life years due to lung disease in Manchester but it will be significant. The only problem is that it has taken so long to get attention.
I live on a main road unfortunately outside Greater Manchester and I will be pleased when the diesel lorries and occasional motorhomes thundering past our house will be dissuaded from coming to our town too.
I will willingly buy an electric camper when that happens. It is an expense that many will ill afford but the writing has been on this wall for a long time.
 
Derekoak said:
If the issue was climate change euro 6 is as bad as euro 5 the difference is the particulates and nitrous oxides. I live on a main road unfortunately outside Greater Manchester and I will be pleased when the diesel lorries and occasional motorhomes thundering past our house will be dissuaded from coming to our town too.
I will willingly buy an electric camper when that happens. It is an expense that many will ill afford but the writing has been on this wall for a long time.
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That's fine for those who can afford it.

Motorhoming, like many other pastimes will become a hobby exclusively for the wealthy?
 
Derekoak said:
I hope electric campers will be cheaper by then.
This year you can buy an xbus camper for 30,000 new. It may not be as big as people are used to but cheaper versions will come.
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Now that I would happily pay for if the claims regarding range etc. are to be believed.

However the infrastructure is still a long way off to support EV's. The issues we face now should have been addressed decades ago. Lip service has been paid to green issues for far too long. Everybody knew this was coming, as you say 'writing on the wall' yet manufacturers have continued to churn out cars capable of 3 times the speed limits. The powers that be have allowed this to go on and now punish the public!
 
We had signs put up around the edge of Skelmersdale going into Orrell and Appley bridge just before christmas this zone is massive:mad:

Mike
 
I reckon we will just have to try to avoid these zones were possible.
What would be helpful is if they set up large Park and Rides outside the zones.
But get used to this its coming everywhere including Europe, who are ahead of us on this one.
Also I would think very carefully before buying a van more than 3500KG.
 
Fisherman said:
I reckon we will just have to try to avoid these zones were possible.
What would be helpful is if they set up large Park and Rides outside the zones.
But get used to this its coming everywhere including Europe, who are ahead of us on this one.
Also I would think very carefully before buying a van more than 3500KG.
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I'm quite sold on the Xbus Derek mentioned earlier Bill.

I wouldn't buy the camper - it's a possible upgrade later as the modules are interchangeable. But it's a very cheap alternative to buying an electric car.
 
Don’t let’s confuse this with global warming.
This relates to high nitrogen oxide and particulate matter which leads to early mortality for thousands living in cities every year. I am in favour of these zones, but only if other measures are taken alongside them to help mitigate the measures being taken. IE any money collected could be used towards grants to encourage people with older diesels to get rid of them, build large park and rides outside the zones, and generally don’t allow this money to used to to prop up struggling councils the way car parking charges are used.
But I have little faith that any of that will happen, and these charges will simply end up as cash cows for local councils.
 
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