lPG getting harder to find

Plenty methane and not likely to run out either, have none of the companies tried that?
 
Chainsaw Charlie said:
They are probably a small supplier who can't even buy the lpg at what the big boys can sell it for , also if they are selling small volumes it doesn't matter how much profit there is if the volume isn't profitable.
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It's actually the other way round here, the local Shell garage charges 68p/litre, the local Calor depot charges 66p/litre while all three small local places sell it for 54p/litre!

Regards,
Del
 
certainly down here alot of the bigger sewage works have methane fueled engines that power quite large generators and supply leccy for the works and surplus goes to the grid .
not quite the same as mobile vehicles but its a start .
man truck engines seem to be the favourite choice in the local works.
 
Is it because methane isn't stored as a liquid so would be unsuitable for mobile use? I seem to remember something being powered by it years back when they were first saying about old chippy fat and sorts of other stuff but cant remember what it was. They powered petrol vehicles with coal gas in the war, big bags of it on the roof but a big bag wouldn't help drag coefficient and anything more than 20mph :)

One advantage may be the removal of height barriers though haha
 
Nabsim said:
Is it because methane isn't stored as a liquid so would be unsuitable for mobile use? I seem to remember something being powered by it years back when they were first saying about old chippy fat and sorts of other stuff but cant remember what it was. They powered petrol vehicles with coal gas in the war, big bags of it on the roof but a big bag wouldn't help drag coefficient and anything more than 20mph :)

One advantage may be the removal of height barriers though haha
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never really thought or asked too much. it was just i saw the engines and asked at the time .
found it rather interesting about burning the gas .
dont know if you compress methane if it would or wouldnt turn to a liquid .
i know many do complain that sewage works can be lit up at night and folk think its wasting leccy, but its for security and really doesnt cost much.
gets rid of the gas as well.
it was just as a tanker driver saw it going on and thought thats neat.
some rubbish tips do it as well so i,m told .
as for vehicles there was a time when many were burning cooking oil but thats got expensive now .
lots in spain and africa were running it .
up here and in colder climates it could cause too much water in the system and blocked filters etc .
 
This subject has come at a great time for me. The guy who was going to do my solar and gas bottle conversion has thrown a hissy fit, and has now refused to work for me. His choice, I'm not going to argue.
I'm pretty sure I could do the solar bit, it seems pretty much, plug and play. Just one hole and lots of sikaflex.
If you all think that buying LPG is going to be difficult, perhaps it would be cheaper to bite the bullet and buy cylinders and regulators as required, when away. Storing them could be an issue, I'll have to see how much gas I use. I,ve been out for 12 days all up, and am still using the same 6kg bottle. Having said that, I've not had to use the heating a great deal. Oh! the van is a Ducato panel van conversion. I'm assuming that Spain and Portugal use the same system. And that only the b French are different. Now that would give me an excuse not to go there.

Still pretty new at this. And as someone said to me at Applewood, "It's amazing how much it costs to live like a homeless person".
 
alwaysared said:
It's actually the other way round here, the local Shell garage charges 68p/litre, the local Calor depot charges 66p/litre while all three small local places sell it for 54p/litre!

Regards,
Del
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I’m lucky, 3 filling stations selling lpg within 8 miles and local Calor depot 3 miles away. Filled up at the Calor depot yesterday before setting off for Cumbria, 53p litre. On route passed a garage I occasionally use and it was 79p litre !
 
Dadad said:
If you all think that buying LPG is going to be difficult, perhaps it would be cheaper to bite the bullet and buy cylinders and regulators as required, when away. Storing them could be an issue, I'll have to see how much gas I use. I,ve been out for 12 days all up, and am still using the same 6kg bottle. Having said that, I've not had to use the heating a great deal. Oh! the van is a Ducato panel van conversion. I'm assuming that Spain and Portugal use the same system. And that only the b French are different. Now that would give me an excuse not to go there.
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It all depends on how much you use your 'van and if you travel in Europe.

I have been using my 'van 8 months of the year and I'm now going to use it full-time. I also spend a lot of time in France, with occasional forays into Iberia and Italy. A refillable system is the only sensible option for me - it's easy and very cheap for refills.

If your assumption is that Spain and Portugal use the same type of gas cylinder connections as the UK, I have to disappoint you. Calor bottle connections are unique to the UK.
 
POI Admin said:
It all depends on how much you use your 'van and if you travel in Europe.

I have been using my 'van 8 months of the year and I'm now going to use it full-time. I also spend a lot of time in France, with occasional forays into Iberia and Italy. A refillable system is the only sensible option for me - it's easy and very cheap for refills.




If your assumption is that Spain and Portugal use the same type of gas cylinder connections as the UK, I have to disappoint you. Calor bottle connections are unique to the UK.
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Cheers Chris, I'll go ahead with the conversion then. My plan is to keep one 6kg bottle, and fit a 11kg refillable. The 11kg would be used all of the time,the 6kg as back up. Belt 'n Braces

If my assumption....
My fault here. I was trying to say. The type of gas bottle and regulator used in Spain and Portugal would be the same. Not the same as the UK.
 
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Sounds sensible to me Dadad, we have been running a 6kg bottle and this is our 27th day, no idea how long it is going to last yet but we only have hob and grill. Oh yes bbq point as well, almost forgot that. I was thinking I may look for a refillable bottle as will be in France next winter for a few months.
 
Dadad said:
Quick thought ! Does Calor go off?
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Not that I am aware of but the bottles themselves have a pressure tested date so they will. I don’t know if it’s possible to get them restamped or even financially worthwhile doing it if you can.

I think that date would only come in to play if you went to swap an out of date bottle and I don’t know if they would still take it. Bit of a waste of a post really :)
 
witzend said:
Where does it come from if its natural gas it,s thousands of years old to start with
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I agree,

But it makes you wonder ‘Why’ they put a date on ‘Natural Volcanic Spring water’ that has quite happily been around for Hundreds of years, but the moment we get our hands on it, it’s got a Use by Date !..
So I kinda get the Reason for the Question.
 
The majority of LPG is a by product of the oil refining process some is taken as gas when drilling for crude oil . because it is derived from crude oil it can redefine itself and that is what causes "heavy ends" That is the only issue I can see on long term storage

From memory the pressure testing regulation of gas vessels ( calor etc ) is 15 years

Channa
 
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