low cost aires and camping stops

[runnach]

A bit quiet on here last couple of days, but I found this campers experiences interesting. we sometimes don't help ourselves


After being on the road for 5-6 weeks touring, we have spoken to many CL site owners .

It’s absolutely frightening how we as
caravan and camping club members and
Caravan and motor home
Members ,
Abuse these people to the point that their electric bill , metered water bill and septic tank empty is way above their income .

It’s so out of hand the site I’m on has been telling me that people are arriving now with motor homes with electric cars to charge at site owners expense .

Heaters in awnings which are not allowed are left running all day when people go out along with central heating in vans.

Taps and showers are left running on some sites all night which us costly on metered supplies.

The electric car and leaving heating on takes the biscuit really and is forcing prices up and meteres to be fitted .

I wouldn’t run and maintain a cl for nothing , I’d shut it and turn it into storage as these people are doing or the lady in the highlands who’s just sold up due to overwhelming overheads .
3k was this cl sites electric bill last quarter .
They charge 16 a night.
X5
X7
X12
=6,720
Minus 3 k electricity
Minus water
Minus upkeep
Minus commercial rates
Minus commercial waste collection
Minus running at under occupancy.

Might as well put up price to £20 a nigh and Metre electric and charge fir shower.
Or pack it up!

Unless we all stop taking advantage of these smaller sites we’re going to loose them and people who like to tour all year on pensions and don’t want to
Ever go near the large sites with kids on bikes , club houses, flags and light poles . And extortionate site fees will all loose the cl sites .

If a owner finds anyone absusing their hospitality they should ask them to leave and report back to club and membership needs to be cancelled.

Now rip me apart ,
Tell me it’s ok I’m wrong ,
Justify this ripping off the small sites

 

[winks]

All true Andrew, I'm afraid.

The idea of leaving, or even using a heater in an awning is energy madness. Hard to square that with the seemingly endless quest for using solar and finding energy efficient ways of cooking etc. If we use small sites I try to be as frugal with the available resources as we are at home. Nobody would put the heating on and leave the windows open, would they?

Cheers

H

 

[edina]

Can't put all the fault on campers using what is available. Sad fact of life that some folk will take full advantage of everything.
CLs used to be places to park, fill water and empty waste. They then started supplying ehu, showers etc without putting in safeguards like metering the supplies.

 

[harrow]

A bit quiet on here last couple of days, but I found this campers experiences interesting. we sometimes don't help ourselves


After being on the road for 5-6 weeks touring, we have spoken to many CL site owners .

It’s absolutely frightening how we as
caravan and camping club members and
Caravan and motor home
Members ,
Abuse these people to the point that their electric bill , metered water bill and septic tank empty is way above their income .

It’s so out of hand the site I’m on has been telling me that people are arriving now with motor homes with electric cars to charge at site owners expense .

Heaters in awnings which are not allowed are left running all day when people go out along with central heating in vans.

Taps and showers are left running on some sites all night which us costly on metered supplies.

The electric car and leaving heating on takes the biscuit really and is forcing prices up and meteres to be fitted .

I wouldn’t run and maintain a cl for nothing , I’d shut it and turn it into storage as these people are doing or the lady in the highlands who’s just sold up due to overwhelming overheads .
3k was this cl sites electric bill last quarter .
They charge 16 a night.
X5
X7
X12
=6,720
Minus 3 k electricity
Minus water
Minus upkeep
Minus commercial rates
Minus commercial waste collection
Minus running at under occupancy.

Might as well put up price to £20 a nigh and Metre electric and charge fir shower.
Or pack it up!

Unless we all stop taking advantage of these smaller sites we’re going to loose them and people who like to tour all year on pensions and don’t want to
Ever go near the large sites with kids on bikes , club houses, flags and light poles . And extortionate site fees will all loose the cl sites .

If a owner finds anyone absusing their hospitality they should ask them to leave and report back to club and membership needs to be cancelled.

Now rip me apart ,
Tell me it’s ok I’m wrong ,
Justify this ripping off the small sites

I was considering setting up a CL or CS in West Wales prior to the big C and this abuse was a concern, would campers fly tip etc.

There would be no point having a CL or a CS if I did not enjoy it.

 

[1807truckman]

I totally agree, on the occasions we've used CL or CS sites we use some electric to charge batteries and we use the dump facilities, we've never left heating on when away from the van and it's never on at night. When we use small sites it's usually for a couple of nights while having a weekend away.
All the owners have been very helpful and welcoming and has been said we can't afford to loose them.

Graham









Urology nurses just take the pee.

 

[mistericeman]

Sadly Andrew I don't think your far off the mark.... 'some' folks are just determined to take take take...
No great surprise that after moaning like mad about lack of provision of stop over opportunities that when some forward thinking authority actually provides somewhere.... Then folks moan about the cost.

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Well in my view, Thease sites are ‘Businesses’ & it’s simply up to them to manage & police THEIR business in entirety Including Serveces, Costs & the abuse by some of these as many others do.
As some might know I Tour the country wilding probably 80% of the time, I DO use sites probably for Two nights a month when Traveling & Always prefer the smaller ones. It’s ultimately up to ME how much I am comfortable paying to use these services set by the individual businesses that I use, & my personal threshold is up to Around the £18 a night for a good site & Serveces they provide, or £5 if I just Dump, Fill & Shower.
I have just finished working on the first phase of a small upgrade to a site digging trenches & Laying in Serveces to provide Drainage, Water & 10a Electric to Hard standing 10mt Pitches at a particular site in North Yorkshire.
On a site in Dorset
I put in Options for 10a Electric to Hard standing 8mt Pitches,
Another option is just Hardstanding 8mt Pitches,
Then Grass 8mt Or 6mt with 10a Electric,
Yet Other option of pitche are Grass 6mt Or 8mt & No Electric.
On a site in Cornwall I done
Just Hardstanding with 10a Electric OR Grass with or Without Said 10a Electric,
And so on, The point I’m trying to put forward is, The ‘Business’ sets the Prices for The Serveces provided & The Management Or Staff of that site should Police what customers have purchased & act on any abuse of such accordingly

 

[alcam]

There is another side.
I know a little farm campsite that charger £4 for electricity, even in the summer!
That is also greed!

£4 !

 

[delicagirl]

£4 !

is that all?

 

[delicagirl]

.16p per hour over 24 hours - he is clearly trying to compensate for those idiots who use 2-3 kw fires during the winter in an awning......

the man has to earn a living for goodness sakes.

 

[Fazerloz]

At £4 they will be losing money with a lot of customers over 24hrs. It works out at less than 1kw per hour roughly.

 

[Fazerloz]

A bit quiet on here last couple of days, but I found this campers experiences interesting. we sometimes don't help ourselves


After being on the road for 5-6 weeks touring, we have spoken to many CL site owners .

It’s absolutely frightening how we as
caravan and camping club members and
Caravan and motor home
Members ,
Abuse these people to the point that their electric bill , metered water bill and septic tank empty is way above their income .

It’s so out of hand the site I’m on has been telling me that people are arriving now with motor homes with electric cars to charge at site owners expense .

Heaters in awnings which are not allowed are left running all day when people go out along with central heating in vans.

Taps and showers are left running on some sites all night which us costly on metered supplies.

The electric car and leaving heating on takes the biscuit really and is forcing prices up and meteres to be fitted .

I wouldn’t run and maintain a cl for nothing , I’d shut it and turn it into storage as these people are doing or the lady in the highlands who’s just sold up due to overwhelming overheads .
3k was this cl sites electric bill last quarter .
They charge 16 a night.
X5
X7
X12
=6,720
Minus 3 k electricity
Minus water
Minus upkeep
Minus commercial rates
Minus commercial waste collection
Minus running at under occupancy.

Might as well put up price to £20 a nigh and Metre electric and charge fir shower.
Or pack it up!

Unless we all stop taking advantage of these smaller sites we’re going to loose them and people who like to tour all year on pensions and don’t want to
Ever go near the large sites with kids on bikes , club houses, flags and light poles . And extortionate site fees will all loose the cl sites .

If a owner finds anyone absusing their hospitality they should ask them to leave and report back to club and membership needs to be cancelled.

Now rip me apart ,
Tell me it’s ok I’m wrong ,
Justify this ripping off the small sites

Unfortunately non of that comes as a surprise.

 

[harrow]

At £4 they will be losing money with a lot of customers over 24hrs. It works out at less than 1kw per hour roughly.

It's also the cost of the electrician to install it and service it,

OK Paul might dig the trenches but Alf needs paying as well.

 

[oppy]

I think that the site on Angelsey charges £5 for leccy. Back to cl /cs sites, we used one earlier this year when we went to a funeral and the owners were seriously thinking of closing it, not due to it being abused, but by the pressure from the C&CC to carry out expensive upgrades.

 

[mickymost]

Well in my view, Thease sites are ‘Businesses’ & it’s simply up to them to manage & police THEIR business in entirety Including Serveces, Costs & the abuse by some of these as many others do.
As some might know I Tour the country wilding probably 80% of the time, I DO use sites probably for Two nights a month when Traveling & Always prefer the smaller ones. It’s ultimately up to ME how much I am comfortable paying to use these services set by the individual businesses that I use, & my personal threshold is up to Around the £18 a night for a good site & Serveces they provide, or £5 if I just Dump, Fill & Shower.
I have just finished working on the first phase of a small upgrade to a site digging trenches & Laying in Serveces to provide Drainage, Water & 10a Electric to Hard standing 10mt Pitches at a particular site in North Yorkshire.
On a site in Dorset
I put in Options for 10a Electric to Hard standing 8mt Pitches,
Another option is just Hardstanding 8mt Pitches,
Then Grass 8mt Or 6mt with 10a Electric,
Yet Other option of pitche are Grass 6mt Or 8mt & No Electric.
On a site in Cornwall I done
Just Hardstanding with 10a Electric OR Grass with or Without Said 10a Electric,
And so on, The point I’m trying to put forward is, The ‘Business’ sets the Prices for The Serveces provided & The Management Or Staff of that site should Police what customers have purchased & act on any abuse of such accordingly

Original poster says people are leaving heaters on in awnings.Surely this would be easy to check on.Also the charging of electric cars another easy so obvious thing to spot.So if caught chuck em off the site as surely its abuse and taking the P in a giant way.Sites are a business so the owners need to police their business and if people are not checked on then good luck to them if getting away with it!


Michael

 

[mickymost]

is that all?

Ref £4.00 for leccky

Probably dear for summer but fair for winter

Michael

 

[colinm]

Personally I'd like to see cl/cs stick to being 'cheap and cheerful', if I want full facilities I'll go to a site, if I need no facilities I can wild camp, but it's nice to have a range of options.

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Probably ‘Pre Paid/Purchased’ card meters may be the way to go, Like PAYG Phone cards

 

[Channa]

Ref £4.00 for leccky

Probably dear for summer but fair for winter

Michael

Possibly averaged out over the year ? My advice to those whinging over £4 for electricity is STOP AWAY like wise when I worked sites I never really had the time to go round checking on folks nor would I want too. There seems a fine line between being careful and not splashing the cash and freeloading/ abuse

Channa

 

[Channa]

Probably ‘Pre Paid/Purchased’ card meters may be the way to go, Like PAYG Phone cards

I stopped regularly on a site with that arrangement in Hatfield near Doncaster . there was a notice not to use existing credits if applicable on the pitch but to purchase a token. I never asked but possibly any credit was set off against the overall site and the owners home. The owners were very accommodating left you to it and quite generous in other ways so it left the channa confused.

Cls and the ilk are certainly a different proposition to the monstrosities provided by such as Park resorts worth £ 4 just for the small and friendly laid back approach

CHanna