mistericeman
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Just spotted this on Facebook....
Llanddulas "New signs"
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jimbohorlicks
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"Penalty charge notice may be incurred"
Is the sign legal?
Is the sign legal?
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Seems to have everything covered but somehow I doubt it is enforceable. It seems to be very vague on the penalty side !
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Someone on Facebook reported getting a ticket while parked during the day.
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argue all you like about the illegality or otherwise of the sign or how it applies to your motorcarvan if the signs dont solve the problem the next step will be height restrictors and you can then argue all you like about whether or not they apply to your 1 inch too high motorcaravan!
WE ARE NOT WANTED why not just accept it and move on?
WE ARE NOT WANTED why not just accept it and move on?
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Because frankly 'some' people are either too blinkered OR frankly pig Ignorant to see the effects of their "its not got the exact sized/coloured /worded letters so I CAN ignore it" attitude.
Seen it and sadly now have to wear the t shirt as far as the 'green laning' side of things in the Landrover world...
Years of driving little used lanes as byways/ORPAS/BOATS/RUPPS Etc etc wiped out in short order by Ignorant 'I'll drive it regardless of issues /weather etc ' and being plastered over facebook/Internet sites.
Clock is ticking.....
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I have mixed views on all this, I get the ""if they don't want you don't go argument"" and there is a lot to be said about keeping your head below the parapet.
However as example if the licence plate on your vehicle doesn't conform to BS145 AU etc spacings and size of letters etc You will be summoned. If you run a licenced premises and fail to display the licences including price lists etc You will be summoned.
So do we have a situation with authorities Do as we say not as we do ?
Sorry, If we are expected to remain within the confines of the law then I think it is totally reasonable for authority to display the same integrity and should be challenged when they don't. Not for the sheer hell of it that is where I differ to others, But I have a little issue being expected to pay fines etc when they cant be arsed to stick to the rules
I don't think that makes me neither Pig ignorant nor blinkered .Inconsistent legality in the grand scale does little to help confusing the Public.
Where I do agree with you is actively going out and telling a council that this sign etc is wrong because it highlights and Local authorites return with TROs bylaws etc. that does seem self imploding and where my attitude differs to another member here.
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Channa whilst you are totally correct about need for signage to be in keeping with laws etc the local authority always has the joker card of hieght barriers.
So if motor homers (or any one else) playes their "the sign wasnt legal" card yes they will probably win that hand.....until the local authority plays their joker.
For my self I would rather have access to a carpark on a limited basis for parking during the day than be denied all access to the car park because I am 3m high
So if motor homers (or any one else) playes their "the sign wasnt legal" card yes they will probably win that hand.....until the local authority plays their joker.
For my self I would rather have access to a carpark on a limited basis for parking during the day than be denied all access to the car park because I am 3m high
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If I read that sign right it states motorhomes are prohibited, period, so you wouldnt be allowed to park in there at all. I can understand them banning overnight parking but surely a complete ban is unethical?
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the picture (on my monitor at least) isnt terribly clear but it does look like that might be what is said. As for that being 'unethical' its hardly more unethical than putting a 2.2m height restrictor on the entrance.
Its a pity that they feel the need to do this, it would be interesting to know what the straw was that broke the camels back.
It can hardly have been those with Irish accents twin axle caravans and homes in Rathdrum as they are illiterate at least they are when it comes to signage and so the council would have gone straight to hieght restrictors.
I wonder how many motor home users pitched up and regarded the place as some sort of very cheap campsite and long over stayed their welcome?
Its a pity that they feel the need to do this, it would be interesting to know what the straw was that broke the camels back.
It can hardly have been those with Irish accents twin axle caravans and homes in Rathdrum as they are illiterate at least they are when it comes to signage and so the council would have gone straight to hieght restrictors.
I wonder how many motor home users pitched up and regarded the place as some sort of very cheap campsite and long over stayed their welcome?
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this from "Jan" in 2005 regarding parking at Llanddulas
"We tried it last week, did'nt stay because of no overnighting signs "
others seem to have either ignored the signs or not see them
from 2010
"Stayed here - nice spot - bit windy - there were a few other motorhome there as well"
"They must be new - stayed there 5 or 6 times, once earlier this year, without problems but never seen any signs, ."
and from 2015
"Just read that 10 vans parked at Llandullas finned at 7am by council"
TEN motorhomes in a car park which doesnt allow overnighting I wonder why the council are unhappy!
"We tried it last week, did'nt stay because of no overnighting signs "
others seem to have either ignored the signs or not see them
from 2010
"Stayed here - nice spot - bit windy - there were a few other motorhome there as well"
"They must be new - stayed there 5 or 6 times, once earlier this year, without problems but never seen any signs, ."
and from 2015
"Just read that 10 vans parked at Llandullas finned at 7am by council"
TEN motorhomes in a car park which doesnt allow overnighting I wonder why the council are unhappy!
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The car park in question Llandullas have had the height barrier option for years be done in a morning aware of the layout ...They have chosen not too ...Not for a second am I suggesting a cash cow for revenue with illegal fines but I can be forgiven for sceptisim ...Councils would never partake in illegal activity would they ? Upon reflection Lendal Bridge in York perhaps suggests otherwise and cloak and dagger approach
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height restrictors dont look very pretty and might suggest to visitors that there is a problem with 'travellers' the instalation also comes at a not insignificant cost and might cause problems for over hieght vehicles that might legitimately need to enter the car park.
suggesting that it is simply a way of extracting cash is a bit cynical but even if true then they are extracting cash from those who are either unwilling to obey the signage or are willfully ignorant of it - you might gather that I have little sympathy!
Parking your motorhome some where with a nice sea view is not a God given right and in most cases where the facility has been withdrawn it is because of misuse
suggesting that it is simply a way of extracting cash is a bit cynical but even if true then they are extracting cash from those who are either unwilling to obey the signage or are willfully ignorant of it - you might gather that I have little sympathy!
Parking your motorhome some where with a nice sea view is not a God given right and in most cases where the facility has been withdrawn it is because of misuse
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Sadly you'll not convince 'some' that think its a god given right to do lots of things.....
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I am happy to be corrected but Llandullas to my knowledge ( I lived close by) has never had an issue with travellers. As for overheight vehicles on legitmate business other places to park however a key would solve that..
Yes I am cynical I suggest you google Lendal bridge there was no ignorance nor arrogance just simply someone who pointed out that the actions were illegal pursued it and courts found in their favour and as a result council had to refund monies by simply not doing their job properly. that amounts to an abuse of legal process on the councils behalf
FOI has proved that LLandullas has very little misuse so a sledgehammer to crack a walnut ,,,No view is a god given right we agree.... but misuse is simply not the case ....IMHO the local MP is in the pocket of the campsites and behaving clumsily to drive folf to sites they don't need a commercial agenda Daren Millar worth a google
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information posted by other posters here suggests otherwise,
Just read that 10 vans parked at Llandullas finned at 7am by council.
Stayed here - nice spot - bit windy - there were a few other motorhome there as well
I doubt that the parking enforcement team decended on it at 7 in the morning if they didnt expect to find some takers
for 10 motorhomes to park up in any carpark - let alone one with no overnight parking shows a complete lack of common sense
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My source is official council minutes, and complaints by residents tell a totally different picture not hearsay on facebook or whatever
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Best will in the world Andrew....
Having personally spent lots of time close to Llanddulas..
The car park has been used for a long while by folks in motorhome/camper vans and the dogging community let alone the folks smoking herbal substances etc....
Something of a mystery why anyone would want to spend time there BUT hey ho.....
Signs are up....
'They' don't want us there
Cool ill spend my cash elsewhere.... Not a, problem