Liverpool marina

[Robmac]

We'll have to see what follows ...

Interesting that they should state "The proposal is considered unacceptable. Based on the requirements of local and national planning policy, the proposal is considered to have a materially adverse impact upon the character and appearance of the area"

I note that it is a marina. Using my amazing powers of deduction, I have worked out that it will probably be full of boats? which are essentially floating motorhomes!

Maybe they could apply for a CL/CS license? At least that would give them scope for up to 5 motorhomes or would PP still be required?

 

[Pauljenny]

I wouldn't want them parking anywhere near a property I owned as motorhomes are ugly great slabs .

And some of the owners, too!
We're going to the Terracotta Army Exhibition... Don't like driving into cities.. Hence the Marina is out,for us.
Anyone got thoughts about parking the van outside town and taking a bus in?

 

[harrow]

I think they will now have blown the opportunity to become a CL/CS as my understanding is that once planning permission is refused you cannot then decide to use that exemption it is now lost .
Probably some apartment or flat owners that don't like looking at motorhomes which I have to agree with as I wouldn't want them parking anywhere near a property I owned as motorhomes are ugly great slabs .

Boats and yachts are seen as something to aspire to, campervans are more associated with the travelling community.

 

[maureenandtom]

I wondered what overarching principles of the National Planning Policy Framework prevented the private provision of parking for motorhomes and I couldn't find any. It seemed to me that the National Planning Policy Framework verged on approval unless “any adverse impacts of doing so would significantly and demonstrably outweigh the benefits,”

https://assets.publishing.service.g...uploads/attachment_data/file/6077/2116950.pdf

So then I wondered what parts of Policies E6, E6 and HD 18 of the Liverpool UDP were so important. A “materially adverse impact upon the character and appearance of the area” can only be opinion and can be argued about – unless the residents have told the council how there has been a materially adverse impact. Policies E6, E8 and HD18 (below) might explain how but the only thing I find there is paragraph ix of HD18 which explains that there must be severe loss of amenty or privacy.

If I was to appeal the planning decision I think I could make good arguments that the proposal meets exactly the planning requirements – especially those in E8. There would still he the problem of paragraph ix of HD18 and I think I'd solve that one by asking, by ordinary mail, all residents, individually, if the presence of motorhomes, up to now, has caused a severe loss of amenity or privacy and if so how - and how could we cure this severe loss. A stamped address envelope for their reply.

I think the appeal would be successful.

 

[Nigel L]

Staying here tonight, on the outer car park.
It’s been about 15 months since we were last here, and Wow! What a difference. There are 9 vans in the 3 outer car parks, and about 10 in the Marina’s own car park. Think The Murvi owners must have their own meet, as they are nearly all Murvi’s in the Marina’s own CP.
New MH’s are still arriving as we type, a victim of its own success.
However, when we arrived this morning, there was a MH parked in one bay, and their chairs in the next bay.
There is also a van with washing hanging out, and although on a line attached to their van, it still intrudes into the next bay, probably stopping anyone else from parking in it.
When will we learn!!!!
It is a fantastic stop, and hopefully it will continue, but wouldn’t be surprised if it gets squashed.

 

[sasquatch]

The normal rules of using an aire should apply,these motorhomers should know them and locals should be educated to the fact!

 

[Kajay]

Staying here tonight, on the outer car park.
It’s been about 15 months since we were last here, and Wow! What a difference. There are 9 vans in the 3 outer car parks, and about 10 in the Marina’s own car park. Think The Murvi owners must have their own meet, as they are nearly all Murvi’s in the Marina’s own CP.
New MH’s are still arriving as we type, a victim of its own success.
However, when we arrived this morning, there was a MH parked in one bay, and their chairs in the next bay.
There is also a van with washing hanging out, and although on a line attached to their van, it still intrudes into the next bay, probably stopping anyone else from parking in it.
When will we learn!!!!
It is a fantastic stop, and hopefully it will continue, but wouldn’t be surprised if it gets squashed.

Some motorhomers use night stop over car parks as campsites. That’s causing problems. Seriously, putting out washing on a car park?! I bet local residents weren’t happy with that view! Traveling community look :/ There was a great car park that allowed overnight stops in Betws y Coed, but after last bank holiday with motorhomes setting out tables and chairs and cooking on barbecues in car park, no overnight parking signs have now gone up.

 

[maureenandtom]

I've heard from Liverpool Marina that their appeal is going ahead and they've asked for our support. Their email reproduced here:

I'd already emailed the Marina with my support and a few suggestions that they might incorporate into a possible appeal. If anyone would like to support the appeal the Marina has suggestions above and my original letter is in my dropbox which you should be able to see from the link below:

Dropbox - Liverpool Marina Planning Denial.pdf

I'll be supporting their appeal and I hope we all will .

 

[maureenandtom]

I've received an email from Liverpool Marina amending the contact email address:

I've sent a letter in support to the amended address - West2@pins.psi.gov.uk