Liverpool Marina Motorhome POI Appeal
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I've done it even though I live just over the river. It is bizarre a yacht is just a motorhome without wheels!
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What a twat
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Children should be seen not heard, Motorhomes both ! is perhaps the ideal?
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Done
Regards,
Del
Regards,
Del
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A couple of things I saw whilst at this stop in Liverpool the toilet and shower facilities that the marina provide can be a 40 50 meters walk from where you park. There were two decent sized uk reg motorhomes parked across from me about 8am the occupants of these vans appear with coffee mugs in hand wearing pjs house coats and slippers they then proceeded to cross carpark to the showers 30 mins later they return one at a time proceed to bring out chairs and sit around car park still dressed in night clothes drinking coffee till about 11 am this car park is overlooked by very expensive houses flats and I recon if I lived there and saw people sitting right outside my window wearing pjs in the middle of day I wouldn’t be happy it’s realy hard too tell people a park up is that a park up not a holiday site
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Well, here's my effort...
Liverpool is a city that over the last few years has become a tourist destination particularly after becoming a City of Culture and has made a significant effort to encourage visitors to come and enjoy the cities great attractions, museums, galleries and shopping.
Tourists bring revenue to the city and its businesses. Motorhome tourism is growing rapidly, thousands of new motorhomes are being sold every year in this country. Many caravaners are switching to motorhomes. A large number of European visitors arrive here to travel round the UK in motorhomes every year, both in their own and rented ones.
The UK with its cash strapped local Authorities and insular NIMBY attitudes is lagging far behind the rest of Europe in the provision of parking places and facilities. In France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Slovenia, and in other countries a city of the status of Liverpool would have not one but a number of designated overnight parking locations for motorhomes. Other towns and cities in UK, such as Canterbury who have themselves provided overnight motorhome parking facilities, or supported others in their provision have found them to be thriving.
Many foreign motorhomers are surprised to find no facilities in the UK, and many following the frustrations of finding unwelcoming hostile local authorities, and nowhere to stay other than expensive campsites vow never to return. An increasing proportion of UK motorhomes forsake touring in the UK and take their tourist spending abroad.
Motohomers tend to have a larger than average disposable income, and a predominant number are retired people, and are able to visit the city all year round. Quite a number of people with disabilities use motorhomes as a viable way to still be able to enjoy travelling. Where proper facilities have been provided for motorhomes there exists little evidence of unsocial behaviour. It is a misconception that touring motorhomes are some sort of unsocial travellers.
It is often alleged that motorhomes should use campsites. But because they are autonomous, with on-board sanitation, motorhomes do not need campsites where they must pay dearly for space, staff, buildings and facilities they do not need, only intermittent access to a drain and tap is required. Motorhomes are able to visit tourist destinations and bring revenue all year round, campsites are generally closed in winter or full and completely pre-booked in summer, and they are located far away from urban centres.
Next to many of Europe’s inland waterways, and in coastal harbours, in cities, towns and villages, facilities for motorhomes have already been provided.
The location in question is a bustling maritime environment, full of boats, people and traffic. Motorhomes are simply boats on wheels and compatible in their domestic needs and environmental impact with their floating neighbours. There is good road access, so motorhomes are not a traffic problem, they do not impede access to other properties. Once parked they make no noise, their occupants are quiet and orderly.
In short motorhomes should be regarded as welcome and valued tourists, a reality to be planned and catered for, not as an inconvenience or nuisance. Given the shortage of Local Government funds, any private enterprise willing to provide the facilities that local authorities have failed to provide should be encouraged, not castigated.
The logical conclusion should be to endorse and approve the application
Well, here's my effort...
Liverpool is a city that over the last few years has become a tourist destination particularly after becoming a City of Culture and has made a significant effort to encourage visitors to come and enjoy the cities great attractions, museums, galleries and shopping.
Tourists bring revenue to the city and its businesses. Motorhome tourism is growing rapidly, thousands of new motorhomes are being sold every year in this country. Many caravaners are switching to motorhomes. A large number of European visitors arrive here to travel round the UK in motorhomes every year, both in their own and rented ones.
The UK with its cash strapped local Authorities and insular NIMBY attitudes is lagging far behind the rest of Europe in the provision of parking places and facilities. In France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Slovenia, and in other countries a city of the status of Liverpool would have not one but a number of designated overnight parking locations for motorhomes. Other towns and cities in UK, such as Canterbury who have themselves provided overnight motorhome parking facilities, or supported others in their provision have found them to be thriving.
Many foreign motorhomers are surprised to find no facilities in the UK, and many following the frustrations of finding unwelcoming hostile local authorities, and nowhere to stay other than expensive campsites vow never to return. An increasing proportion of UK motorhomes forsake touring in the UK and take their tourist spending abroad.
Motohomers tend to have a larger than average disposable income, and a predominant number are retired people, and are able to visit the city all year round. Quite a number of people with disabilities use motorhomes as a viable way to still be able to enjoy travelling. Where proper facilities have been provided for motorhomes there exists little evidence of unsocial behaviour. It is a misconception that touring motorhomes are some sort of unsocial travellers.
It is often alleged that motorhomes should use campsites. But because they are autonomous, with on-board sanitation, motorhomes do not need campsites where they must pay dearly for space, staff, buildings and facilities they do not need, only intermittent access to a drain and tap is required. Motorhomes are able to visit tourist destinations and bring revenue all year round, campsites are generally closed in winter or full and completely pre-booked in summer, and they are located far away from urban centres.
Next to many of Europe’s inland waterways, and in coastal harbours, in cities, towns and villages, facilities for motorhomes have already been provided.
The location in question is a bustling maritime environment, full of boats, people and traffic. Motorhomes are simply boats on wheels and compatible in their domestic needs and environmental impact with their floating neighbours. There is good road access, so motorhomes are not a traffic problem, they do not impede access to other properties. Once parked they make no noise, their occupants are quiet and orderly.
In short motorhomes should be regarded as welcome and valued tourists, a reality to be planned and catered for, not as an inconvenience or nuisance. Given the shortage of Local Government funds, any private enterprise willing to provide the facilities that local authorities have failed to provide should be encouraged, not castigated.
The logical conclusion should be to endorse and approve the application
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Shame that the Marina staff does not ensure that there visitors behave appropriately...shooting themselves in the foot by not doing!
A couple of things I saw whilst at this stop in Liverpool the toilet and shower facilities that the marina provide can be a 40 50 meters walk from where you park. There were two decent sized uk reg motorhomes parked across from me about 8am the occupants of these vans appear with coffee mugs in hand wearing pjs house coats and slippers they then proceeded to cross carpark to the showers 30 mins later they return one at a time proceed to bring out chairs and sit around car park still dressed in night clothes drinking coffee till about 11 am this car park is overlooked by very expensive houses flats and I recon if I lived there and saw people sitting right outside my window wearing pjs in the middle of day I wouldn’t be happy it’s realy hard too tell people a park up is that a park up not a holiday site
Shame that the Marina staff does not ensure that there visitors behave appropriately...shooting themselves in the foot by not doing!
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My understanding is that they are considering putting 12 spaces in specifically for motor homes.
I have written to say that I would encourage this action.
I have written to say that I would encourage this action.
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Couldn't agree more. If the marina benefits from the patronage of the facility it follows that it is their responsibility to make sure folk don't take the pi$$.
Done the form, dead easy.
Cheers
H
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Further thought is that if objectors raise this issue it could be volunteered that signs will be put up and enforced banning ‘camping behaviour’ chairs, tables, anything outside, in the same way as many European Sites. ie: parking only not camping.
Further thought is that if objectors raise this issue it could be volunteered that signs will be put up and enforced banning ‘camping behaviour’ chairs, tables, anything outside, in the same way as many European Sites. ie: parking only not camping.
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I do believe it is open again
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Unless something has changed the appeal was dismissed. 19th Sept 2018
Conclusion
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana][FONT=Verdana,Verdana]20. The proposal would provide a form of tourist accommodation. Furthermore, I do not consider that it would be significantly harmful to the appearance of the area. However, individually or cumulatively, these do not outweigh the significant harm it would have by way of it being located on a site that would undermine the plan-led approach of the development plan and the severe harm the proposal would have on the living conditions of the occupants of the neighbouring residential properties.
21. For the reasons given above, having regard to all matters raised, the appeal is dismissed.
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Monotype Corsiva,Corsiva][FONT=Monotype Corsiva,Corsiva]Alexander Walker
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Conclusion
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana][FONT=Verdana,Verdana]20. The proposal would provide a form of tourist accommodation. Furthermore, I do not consider that it would be significantly harmful to the appearance of the area. However, individually or cumulatively, these do not outweigh the significant harm it would have by way of it being located on a site that would undermine the plan-led approach of the development plan and the severe harm the proposal would have on the living conditions of the occupants of the neighbouring residential properties.
21. For the reasons given above, having regard to all matters raised, the appeal is dismissed.
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Monotype Corsiva,Corsiva][FONT=Monotype Corsiva,Corsiva]Alexander Walker
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You can still stay on the marinas own carpark behind there gates but not on the car parks adjoining it’s a bit tight for larger vans so I’m snookered but give the marina a call first. Shame nice spot but a bit close to some expensive flats. Livepool Marina - Sail into the City why are tarts with boats treated differently to motorhomes I’ve noticed that boaty towns trip over themselves for the boat people and treat us like something on the sole of there shoe. Same type of people traveling around inside there own country spending a bit of dosh instead of flying of to the costas don’t get it drives me nuts this one
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APPEAL DECISION .pdf download :
https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewDocument.aspx?fileid=28880573
https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewDocument.aspx?fileid=28880573