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So what's the problem? He got what was comng to him didn't he? Unfortunately I suspect that they will now start to kill each other. Joan.
 
I still don't agree with killing him like that.

But... you are right. There are many tribes who formed in an uneasy alliance against him. Now the subject of their focus is gone, they will do well to hold peace with each other. And there are also many members of Gadaffi's tribe who have been dispossessed so they will still be looking for revenge.
 
Britian's part in bringing down Gadaffi, will be rewarded by the people of Libya which would help us in our fiancial situation.
 
Far too many guns in the hands of people that will shoot wildly at nothing and may well need little excuse to shoot at each other.

Richard
 
Most of the NTC government (including the prime minister) were members of Ghaddafi's government until they saw the writing on the wall. Don't hold your breathe waiting for change - I have a nasty feeling that, once the temporary elation is over, the Libyan people will realise that the only difference is in the name and who knows what will happen then. Ditto Tunisia and ditto Egypt. A wonderful part of the world and I can see nothing but disappointment for them in the near future. Very sad.
 
Seems to me it's a good start for basing a new beginning, free from dictatorship, by murdering a bloke, whether he deserved it or not. Libya is now wide open for Civil War and the Islamic extremists will be just looking for an opportunity to take over. A lot of Iraqis say life was better under Saddam Hussein, then they had reliable Electricity,Water, health care, provisions and could go out shopping, or to work, without fear of being blown up or shot. People get the governments they deserve, some people can only be ruled by dictators, they lack the culture to participate in anything like democracy, our governments hurl insults at each other across the floor of the House of Commons, they don't take down the AK47 and start blasting away at each other but sadly in some cultures that's the only way they know how to settle their differences.
 
dont have to go that far . i personaly find spain not as nice as when franco was alive.
i have several spanish friends that say the same . people knew there place in life .now they just want more regardless of can they afford it. had a good discusion about it only this year with the vet in san vicente de la barquera. nobody as a place anymore.
 
Hard to say just what way it will go, but I suspect that there will be major difficulties right enough....

One things certain, over the next months and perhaps for even years down the line they will be finding
underground tombs of victims of the Gadaffi regime who have been buried alive and possibly tortured
before being buried alive. Sadly I'm pretty certain there will be regular shocking discoveries made along
these lines.
 
John H said:
Most of the NTC government (including the prime minister) were members of Ghaddafi's government until they saw the writing on the wall. Don't hold your breathe waiting for change - I have a nasty feeling that, once the temporary elation is over, the Libyan people will realise that the only difference is in the name and who knows what will happen then. Ditto Tunisia and ditto Egypt. A wonderful part of the world and I can see nothing but disappointment for them in the near future. Very sad.
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I don't need to go over old ground about my thoughts on Immigration grounds etc.
BUT, I can only see The Great British people throwing open their arms and welcoming yet another nations problems into them.
Don't worry Libya, come to the UK, the rest of the world does, we will feed you, clothe you, house you and if you can be bothered we can give you a job. Don't worry, if you don't like work, we will give you endless amounts of benefits, because the majority of the UK don't give a toss who comes here and sponges of us!!
 
bigpieeater said:
I don't need to go over old ground about my thoughts on Immigration grounds etc.
BUT, I can only see The Great British people throwing open their arms and welcoming yet another nations problems into them.
Don't worry Libya, come to the UK, the rest of the world does, we will feed you, clothe you, house you and if you can be bothered we can give you a job. Don't worry, if you don't like work, we will give you endless amounts of benefits, because the majority of the UK don't give a toss who comes here and sponges of us!!
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Thats sounds very defeatist to me.

John.
 
I agree with many of the comments made; in particular I believe that they will still be in turmoil years from now because religion will once again rear it's ugly head. Why do people in this day and age believe in invisible people? It's for children who know nothing of science and technology.

With regard to immigration though! can someone explain to me how people can come here when in their own country they are likely to be killed (to a certain extent I agree) BUT, when the trouble's are over in that country and it is stable, Why don't they go back!!!!
 
bigpieeater said:
I don't need to go over old ground about my thoughts on Immigration grounds etc.
BUT, I can only see The Great British people throwing open their arms and welcoming yet another nations problems into them.
Don't worry Libya, come to the UK, the rest of the world does, we will feed you, clothe you, house you and if you can be bothered we can give you a job. Don't worry, if you don't like work, we will give you endless amounts of benefits, because the majority of the UK don't give a toss who comes here and sponges of us!!
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Ok, I'll bite. Since I regard myself (for all purposes other than sport!) a citizen of the world I believe in lending a helping hand to those in trouble and I don't care whether they come from Tripoli or Tunbridge Wells. But in this case, you couldn't be wider off the mark. Libya is an immensly wealthy and cultured country; we are more likely to want them to bail us out!


And in answer to bopper's question about why they don't go back when the trouble is over - many of them have. Has it not struck you as odd that whenever they interview members of the rebel army on the television they speak with a London, Liverpool or Birmingham accent? I don't blame them either. If I was a Libyan I wouldn't stay longer than necessary in this bigotted, xenophobic and mean-spirited country where so many people regard foreigners as being unable to govern themselves properly or driven by a kind of primitive superstition that couldn't possibly affect us - could it? Ok, rant over - get back to normal.
 
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vwalan said:
dont have to go that far . i personaly find Spain not as nice as when Franco was alive.
i have several Spanish friends that say the same . people knew there place in life .now they just want more regardless of can they afford it. had a good discussion about it only this year with the vet in san Vicente de la barquera. nobody as a place anymore.
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There are plenty of older Russians who say much the same about the "good old days" even about Stalin and his score for mass murder was probably one of the highest.

The Generalissimo was not in the same league as a mass murderer but still managed to hold Spain back quite effectively.

I would not surprised to see Libya become more militant and follow the lead of other Middle Eastern countries.

So I don't think that it will be on the Bear's travel itinerary for many years to come - shame because I always fancied seeing the Wire and Marble Arch
 
baloothebear said:
There are plenty of older Russians who say much the same about the "good old days" even about Stalin and his score for mass murder was probably one of the highest.

The Generalissimo was not in the same league as a mass murderer but still managed to hold Spain back quite effectively.

I would not surprised to see Libya become more militant and follow the lead of other Middle Eastern countries.

So I don't think that it will be on the Bear's travel itinerary for many years to come - shame because I always fancied seeing the Wire and Marble Arch
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In all former dictatorships there are those who say that life was better under the old regime (even Mussolini made the trains run on time). We found the same throughout eastern Europe. The people who hanker after the good old days are the ones who were members of the political elite or their supporters or who kept quiet and took the bribes. Ask the people who were jailed or who had their friends and family murdered or "disappeared". Ask the people who were denied basic freedoms. Ask the people who were exiled. Ask the people who were denied the right to travel. Ask the majority.

A further point: if we lived under such a regime we would probably all have disappeared in mysterious circumstances by now. We question the rules; we sometimes openly defy the rules; we treat our rulers with contempt. We are the first to be shot. Have a nice day.............



P.S. Don't let fear keep you away from visiting this wonderful part of the world. The irony is that when I was last there (last year) I asked some of the locals if they had ever been to England. Their answer was almost always "oh no - it's much too dangerous!"
 
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Return to a Democratic Country ????????

A very simple Question:
WILL ALL THE ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO FLED FROM LIBYA TO THE UNITED KINGDOM OVER THE
LAST 30 YEARS BE JOSTLING WITH EACH OTHER FOR A SEAT ON THE NEXT PLANE TO TRIPOLI ????
 
having visited several islamic countries i quite like them . i find as a tourist they dont offend me. did get chucked in jail in tunisia 2 weeks before uk and america went into kuwait. i was taking pics of a police vehicle outside the pla headquarters in tunis . soon got released when they processed the film. but normally find them all ok.
 
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