Leisure batteries charging info

Frankiep

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On my 1999 Compass Drifter 460RB Peugeot 2.5 TD. On the electrics control panel by the habitation door entrance there is no manufacturers name or identifying part or model number. I'm presuming its a Zig, in the handbook and literature that is with the vehicle, it shows several Zig control panels but not like the one in mine. Compass no longer manufacturing Motorhomes. I think my leisure batteries ( 2 of them) are on the way out, i'm trying to find out when mains power is connected are they automatically charged up, or do i have to have one or some of the control switches on. Iv'e been searching without success to get info on the controls, looked at Zig website , different types shown, but nothing to help me. Has anyone got a model of that year, or info on it. Grateful for any help. Frankiep. North West
 
The makers of Elddis Motorhomes also made the Compass badged ones and have just recently dropped the name. The company is The Explorer Group and you may get info direct from them.

If you want to check if your leisure batteries are being charged then check with a multimeter. Set it to the 20 volt DC range and check the voltage at the battery terminals. Then hook up the 240 volts and recheck the battery voltage, it should have increased to above 13 volts, maybe up to about 14.5 volts.
 
Electrics Control & Leisure Batteries

Thanks Maingate for your advice i'll certainly look into it, i'm surprised tho that there's no manufacturers name or model identification on the control panel. Theyr'e not usually slow in advertising their wares.
 
Have you recently bought the MH?

If so have a look - maybe under one of the front seats - for the mains charger and make sure it has mains power to it and it is switched on.

Should also charge from the engine alternator if the system is installed. Normally a delay between the engine starting and charge going into the leisure battery.

As advised, a cheapish multimeter set on the 20V DC scale makes an impossible job very simple.
 
Leisure Battery Controls

Had M/H about 3yrs,but due to circumstances not been able to make as much use of it as i'd have liked. (time yet] Nothing under seats re charging unit. Been no problems with batteries so far, just suspicions of maybe, ahead. So there's been no real reason to go digging about,till now ,although i like to know how things work & i will sort this out. So many thanks for your interest, & don't get burned in the West Coast USA sun.
 
& don't get burned in the West Coast USA sun.

Yes, been there and done that. Plan is to get into LAX late afternoon, air-conditioned shuttle to Lancaster and by the time we get to the storage yard the sun will be down - so by cranking the generator up and running the rooftop air cons we should be able to make it the 4 miles to the fairground where we can get onto shore power. Late at night when it is safe (and the jet lag is still raging) we go to Walmart 24/7 supercentre to stock up on food and then back to the fairground for more shore power. Next morning we hit the Interstate north and don't stop until the outside air temperature drops to 85F max. Then we will be OK for the next 5 months until we get back to Oz half way into summer.
I hate hot weather and untempered sunshine.

Back to your problem - yes, a multimeter will help a lot. With NO 12V loads switched on, just wedge the leads into the battery terminals (so you don't have to hold them, with it on the 20VDC range and note the readings with no shore power having been connected for an hour or so. Voltage should read somewhere below say 12.9V. !2.6 up to 12.9 indicate a fully-charged battery. Less than 12V and you are guilty of committing batterycide - or it has died a natural death.

Start the Engine. After a few seconds to a few minutes depending on how well your engine battery is charged, the charging relay (if fitted) should kick in and your meter reading should start rising. If it does, switch off the engine and wait a few minutes before taking another reading.
Plug in shore power and turn on whatever 240V switches you normally turn on. Maybe a light will come on on your 12V control panel. Maybe not, but the voltage should start rising towards either 13.7V or over 14.2V depending on what sort of battery charger you have.

If the voltage rises, leave the charger on for several hours and then disconnect shore power. Battery voltage will drop rapidly (15 seconds) down to a little over 13V and then more slowly over the next couple of hours. Voltage should remain somewhere between say 12.4V and 12.8V depending on how flat it was at the start of the test.
If it drops well below 12V fairly quickly then the battery is likely U/S.

Turn on a few lights that add up to say 4 amps and check the voltage every half hour. It should drop a fraction of a volt initially and then drop slowly - a tenth of a volt every ??? minutes - and gradually and after a couple of hours should still be above 12V.

If it drops well below 12V within an hour the battery is likely had it, but it might be worth connecting shore power again and leaving the charger on for 24 hours to see if it recovers. If the test results are the same, then you have the job of deciding whether the batteries died naturally or whether they were helped on their way by owner neglect or a faulty charging system because there is no point replacing the batteries if something else was the primary cause.
 
New Batteries & Charge up

The makers of Elddis Motorhomes also made the Compass badged ones and have just recently dropped the name. The company is The Explorer Group and you may get info direct from them.

If you want to check if your leisure batteries are being charged then check with a multimeter. Set it to the 20 volt DC range and check the voltage at the battery terminals. Then hook up the 240 volts and recheck the battery voltage, it should have increased to above 13 volts, maybe up to about 14.5 volts.

Doing more or less what you suggested, iv'e now proved that the existing batteries are completely goosed. So ended up with 2 good quality new 100amp ones. The system charges the leisure ones automatically from engine battery or from outside 230v feed, seems quite a good set up. Now that's sorted, and iv'e got a bit of time i'll get onto Explorer Group & see if they can give me any help identifying makers of the control board. For the moment ive got to look into why the fridge & freezer is completely dead to Mains electric, Gas & 12v From previously working perfectly. Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
 
Batteries & Charging

Yes, been there and done that. Plan is to get into LAX late afternoon, air-conditioned shuttle to Lancaster and by the time we get to the storage yard the sun will be down - so by cranking the generator up and running the rooftop air cons we should be able to make it the 4 miles to the fairground where we can get onto shore power. Late at night when it is safe (and the jet lag is still raging) we go to Walmart 24/7 supercentre to stock up on food and then back to the fairground for more shore power. Next morning we hit the Interstate north and don't stop until the outside air temperature drops to 85F max. Then we will be OK for the next 5 months until we get back to Oz half way into summer.
I hate hot weather and untempered sunshine.

Back to your problem - yes, a multimeter will help a lot. With NO 12V loads switched on, just wedge the leads into the battery terminals (so you don't have to hold them, with it on the 20VDC range and note the readings with no shore power having been connected for an hour or so. Voltage should read somewhere below say 12.9V. !2.6 up to 12.9 indicate a fully-charged battery. Less than 12V and you are guilty of committing batterycide - or it has died a natural death.

Start the Engine. After a few seconds to a few minutes depending on how well your engine battery is charged, the charging relay (if fitted) should kick in and your meter reading should start rising. If it does, switch off the engine and wait a few minutes before taking another reading.
Plug in shore power and turn on whatever 240V switches you normally turn on. Maybe a light will come on on your 12V control panel. Maybe not, but the voltage should start rising towards either 13.7V or over 14.2V depending on what sort of battery charger you have.

If the voltage rises, leave the charger on for several hours and then disconnect shore power. Battery voltage will drop rapidly (15 seconds) down to a little over 13V and then more slowly over the next couple of hours. Voltage should remain somewhere between say 12.4V and 12.8V depending on how flat it was at the start of the test.
If it drops well below 12V fairly quickly then the battery is likely U/S.

Turn on a few lights that add up to say 4 amps and check the voltage every half hour. It should drop a fraction of a volt initially and then drop slowly - a tenth of a volt every ??? minutes - and gradually and after a couple of hours should still be above 12V.

If it drops well below 12V within an hour the battery is likely had it, but it might be worth connecting shore power again and leaving the charger on for 24 hours to see if it recovers. If the test results are the same, then you have the job of deciding whether the batteries died naturally or whether they were helped on their way by owner neglect or a faulty charging system because there is no point replacing the batteries if something else was the primary cause.

Found that the batteries are completely DUN for, so ended up buying 2 new ones, the fun never stops. So feeling a lot more confident about the set up on my vehicle. Many thanks for your suggestions, Happy Travelling:hammer:
 
For the moment ive got to look into why the fridge & freezer is completely dead to Mains electric, Gas & 12v From previously working perfectly.

Depending on the actual setup, the only common part of the fridge that stops all three working is the 12V control supply to the electronics board. This isn't the same as the 12V high current that comes from the engine alternator which should only be there when the engine is running. The control circuit supply will come from a fuse in your habitation system and should be there whenever the habitation system is livened up.
 
Sorted Fridge ,Freezer out

Before i read your email with your advice about 12v feed required, i'd had the handbook out, dismantled the electrics on the freezer/fridge checked the fuses out & all was ok. Started looking further then found that a connection under bonnet near engine battery had mysteriously come apart. I couldn't even blame my wife she puts her nose into many things, but never under the bonnet of my motorhome. So put everything together & hey presto all ok ,away we go. Cheers
 
It is good to get positive feedback.

or any feedback for that matter.
 
Dometic Fridge Problems

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