Legality of using veggie oil

I haven't had any Chinese meals after what someone told me on this forum, Indian food is cooked in ghee (clarified butter), Italian food is usually cooked in olive oil, not palm or rapeseed. The oil we use at home for cooking is olive, the rainforests are hardwoods, papermaking uses softwoods.

Using any fossil fuels damage the environment and use non renewable resources but that does not mean to say we should all say "sod it I won't bother" Please don't take the p*ss because someone wishes to protest in his own way - at least it shows he cares

Frank


Just to clarify a couple of points (with back up web sites)
Firstly there are BOTH hardwood and softwood trees in the rainforests

Jump to What kind of trees does softwood come from?‎: The rain forest has hardwood and softwood trees. Softwood trees grow all over the world. ...
softwood trees - Ask.com - Cached

Secondly Indian restaurants in all countries DO use veg oil for cooking with

Most Indian curries are cooked in vegetable oil. .... A survey held in 2007 revealed that more than 1200 Indian food products have been .... AsiaRooms.com. Food in Brisbane, Restaurants in Brisbane, Where to Eat in Brisbane, Brisbane Dining Guide ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_cuisine - Cached - Similar

I have had plenty of used veg oil from various Indian and Chinese eateries.

By using used veg oil my vehicle is not spewing toxic fumes into the atmosphere --- I guess that shows I also care :)
 
BedfordMJ said:
What did someone tell you about chinese food?
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I was told (was it Maingate?) that in China they eat cats. I don't have a problem with that, what does bother me is that to cook them they throw the poor creatures alive into a pot of boiling water.

Frank
 
Boxerman said:
I was told (was it Maingate?) that in China they eat cats. I don't have a problem with that, what does bother me is that to cook them they throw the poor creatures alive into a pot of boiling water.

Frank
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So you won't eat chinese food in this country because some people in China eat Cat? They eat dogs too and so do Koreans.
We cut animals throats in this country for certain types of slaughter and also drop crabs into boiling water, will you not eat English food because of this?
 
You are lucky if the fuel pump on your vehicle will handle straight "veg" oil as a lot of them cannot.
The Lucas CAVs can't and most of the new(er) common rail engines will throw a hissy fit and die.
If you are going to play these games then it seems that you need to set up a small fuel production unit and do the job properly. It might be something that one could do with a few neighbours to help split the costs involved
 
BedfordMJ said:
So you won't eat chinese food in this country because some people in China eat Cat? They eat dogs too and so do Koreans.
We cut animals throats in this country for certain types of slaughter and also drop crabs into boiling water, will you not eat English food because of this?
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If you paid attention to what I wrote you would see that I said I didn't have a problem with people eating cats. It's the inhumane method of killing them I object to.

You do whatever you wish - I'll stick to my own principles and I don't give a damn whether you approve of them or not.

My last comment on this subject as it is no longer on topic
 
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Boxerman said:
If you paid attention to what I wrote you would see that I said I didn't have a problem with people eating cats. It's the inhumane method of killing them I object to.

You do whatever you wish - I'll stick to my own principles and I don't give a damn whether you approve of them or not.

My last comment on this subject as it is no longer on topic
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You took it off topic but i'm sure not many people will be using palm oil when they are running their vans on veg. oil
Don't forget to pick up your teddy.
 
Boxerman said:
If you paid attention to what I wrote you would see that I said I didn't have a problem with people eating cats. It's the inhumane method of killing them I object to.

You do whatever you wish - I'll stick to my own principles and I don't give a damn whether you approve of them or not.

My last comment on this subject as it is no longer on topic
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Yes gotta say they do drown cats and dogs alive over in China and it is done inhumanly.I never ever forgot a programe on the telly as a kid showing this been done.It scarred me for life,and i dare say there would be no chance of this being aired these days,thankfully.China eats anything and you can find cats dogs rats and probably even human on sale,(or long pig) i believe human thighs are quite tasty(tastes like chicken!!)
For me if i took too much attention i could quite easily turn vegetarian.
I do like my sausages though(bangers and mash)mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
baloothebear said:
You are lucky if the fuel pump on your vehicle will handle straight "veg" oil as a lot of them cannot.
The Lucas CAVs can't and most of the new(er) common rail engines will throw a hissy fit and die.
If you are going to play these games then it seems that you need to set up a small fuel production unit and do the job properly. It might be something that one could do with a few neighbours to help split the costs involved
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the basic problem with what you say about cav/lucas pumps etc is heat!!!!!!! or lack of it !
 
n8rbos said:
the basic problem with what you say about cav/lucas pumps etc is heat!!!!!!! or lack of it !
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An ex member of our club had two fuel tanks, one for derv and the other for wvo. He started on derv then switched over to wvo. He used the exhaust pipe as a heat source and had a metal coil around it to heat up the veg oil I don't know all the details as he explained it to me in the pub - IYSWIM :)

He had snapped two pump drive shafts on wvo before doing this conversion. I don't know the make of these pumps but they were on a Renault 2068cc. He also said that if you could get a Bosch(?) pump they would stand the wvo without heating.

Frank
 
Boxerman said:
An ex member of our club had two fuel tanks, one for derv and the other for wvo. He started on derv then switched over to wvo. He used the exhaust pipe as a heat source and had a metal coil around it to heat up the veg oil I don't know all the details as he explained it to me in the pub - IYSWIM :)

He had snapped two pump drive shafts on wvo before doing this conversion. I don't know the make of these pumps but they were on a Renault 2068cc. He also said that if you could get a Bosch(?) pump they would stand the wvo without heating.

Frank
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let me explain it this way, if your blood is thick(wvo)and you put it through your heart(inj. pump)its gonna work harder and suffer undue stress unnecessarily,by thinning your blood (aspirin/warfarin)heat exchanger on the wvo....you remove the undue stress!!!!!!! people who try to put wvo through any pump inc. a bosch pump is asking for trouble i.e. pump failure.
my veh. has a bosch pump and will start w/o heating oil but its a struggle!!! more juice out of battery, and stress on my starter etc.

if the oil you use is as thin or thinner than diesel then an't see any pump packing up!!
 
Talking about drowning things I was talking to a lady today who was quite proud to tell me she catches grey squirrels in her garden and drowns them in her water butt.

Sounded a bit gruesome to me. And she seemed such a nice person as well.

Is there any way to run my van on dead squirrel.

Re the thick wvo. How much diesel mix would make it safe 50/50, or even less. Or is there something else I could put in it. How about a splash of unleaded petrol. I once half filled my diesel passat with petrol, so i topped up with about same with diesel and it ran just fine.
 
piper said:
Talking about drowning things I was talking to a lady today who was quite proud to tell me she catches grey squirrels in her garden and drowns them in her water butt.

Sounded a bit gruesome to me. And she seemed such a nice person as well.

Is there any way to run my van on dead squirrel.

Re the thick wvo. How much diesel mix would make it safe 50/50, or even less. Or is there something else I could put in it. How about a splash of unleaded petrol. I once half filled my diesel passat with petrol, so i topped up with about same with diesel and it ran just fine.
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piper, the best way is for you to fit an heat exchanger to your fuel system, this will lower the viscosity of the oil!, if your tank holds 10 gals and you put 5gals of diesel in its still costing@£25ish to fill! 10gals of wvo £0 for an initial outlay of @£30 to build a similar system to mine!
 
n8rbos said:
the basic problem with what you say about cav/lucas pumps etc is heat!!!!!!! or lack of it !
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Sorry to disagree but it is the internal design of the pump. You can have the internals re-machined and it will cost you (2005 figures) around £400.
Pre heaters for the fuel will not help as the pump will fail eventually. The older Bosch pumps are OK but Lucas CAVs are not
 
n8rbos said:
piper, the best way is for you to fit an heat exchanger to your fuel system, this will lower the viscosity of the oil!, if your tank holds 10 gals and you put 5gals of diesel in its still costing@£25ish to fill! 10gals of wvo £0 for an initial outlay of @£30 to build a similar system to mine!
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Ok let me have a look at your setup please. have you got a link to info ?
 
baloothebear said:
Sorry to disagree but it is the internal design of the pump. You can have the internals re-machined and it will cost you (2005 figures) around £400.
Pre heaters for the fuel will not help as the pump will fail eventually. The older Bosch pumps are OK but Lucas CAVs are not
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ok to keep matters simple please explain why, if the viscosity is thinner (vegoil) than diesel that there can be any more stress than running diesel? and then why the pump will fail?
 
n8rbos said:
ok to keep matters simple please explain why, if the viscosity is thinner (vegoil) than diesel that there can be any more stress than running diesel? and then why the pump will fail?
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It is pretty well covered on the specialist forums. I'll try and find the references but my www conection seems to be pretty poor at present.
I really went into at one time when I had a Ford lump in one vehicle and that's what I remember from then
True BioDiesel is thinner but veg oil certainly isn't "thinner" than "real" Derv
 
baloothebear said:
It is pretty well covered on the specialist forums. I'll try and find the references but my www conection seems to be pretty poor at present.
I really went into at one time when I had a Ford lump in one vehicle and that's what I remember from then
True BioDiesel is thinner but veg oil certainly isn't "thinner" than "real" Derv
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not once baloo have i mentioned biodiesel;) wvo and biodiesel and svo are 3 seperate ways to use veg oil. my only topic is wvo, by heating wvo(coolant system )you are raising the temperature of the wvo and lowering the viscosity thus making it thinner/same as diesel(plenty of references to this too, this is what the kits are /do @£1400)
all the talk about bosch ve pumps being stronger etc is a fallacy regards running cold wvo or svo for that matter, heat is whats required to get the oil thin enough to run through the pumps w/o putting undue stress on them!inc bosch pumps.
i have spent the last 7yrs looking and trying out various methods of running wvo,the last 2yrs running the system on here, there was teething problems but it now works a pearl:) i put approx. £5 diesel a month in.
anyone who wishes to try wvo/svo i suggest starts small i.e. with a 2/3 litre bottle and see how the engine runs then work from there.
i certainly see no reason why all diesels with maybe minor alterations to timing to the pumps etc can't run on wvo.

at the moment biodiesel is adapted to run in modern engines, for a modern engine to run wvo the engine needs to adapt:)
 
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