Legality of using veggie oil

[piper]

I have an old vw diesel which will burn veggie oil. At mot last year somebody told me that the smoke test readings could be improved if I ran veggie oil through it just before the test to clean it out.

During last year there did not appear to be any cost benifit so I din't bother up till last week when mot was due again. So I went to Lidl and noticed that i could get lt of veggie for 93p instead of 1.20 at pumps so now it was cheaper. So for mot purposes I put in a case full.

The the MOT tester said it was illegal to run on veggie oil. I still got an MOT pass but now I'm confused because after doing a search on here people are saying it is legal up to 2500 lts.

So what is the correct legal position, and if I got stopped what is the right thing to say. How do you show that you are within 2500 lts ?

Cheers

 

[Canalsman]

The MOT tester is wrong ...

It's entirely legal up to a certain limit - could well be the 2,500 litres you've referred to.

 

[Deleted member 967]

The MOT tester is wrong ...

It's entirely legal up to a certain limit - could well be the 2,500 litres you've referred to.

Fuel Duty

Fuel Duty. (UK).
Revenue & Customs biofuels simplification - Change in the way UK vegetable oil fuel duty is collected was passed in Parliament on 8th June 2007 and me into effect on 30th June 2007.
Earlier this year Revenue & Customs proposed:

A de minimis production level of 2,500 litres per annum below which producers would not need to enter premises, submit returns or pay duty (Please note: we seem to have many customers who are getting confused by Revenue & Customs use of the word "producers", we have checked and it has been confirmed that USERS and PRODUCERS can be treated, for these purposes as THE SAME), and

Reducing the frequency of returns for all but the largest producers (defined as those producing over 450,000 litres per annum) from monthly to quarterly.

Revised 12/06/07: For further info from Revenue & Customs website see the following publications:

11/06/07 Follow up to Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 on Biofuels Simplification

08/06/07 Explanatory Memorandum Amendment

Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 - Introduction of biofuels simplification

Biofuels and other fuel substitutes

Below are the previous proposal publications that set the background to the new rules

Summary of Responses: Review of the definition of biodiesel

Biofuels: simplification of regulations

This is fantastic news for all biofuel users or potential users, UK Revenue & Customs will introduce new rulings on the way fuel duty is handled, in effect providing you use less than 2,500 litres per annum you will not have to register or pay duty.

Whats more Diesel is over £1.00 per litre, new veg from supermarkets, cash and carry such as Costco and Macro in 20 Litre drums, or in larger quantities from wholesale suppliers and canneries such as KTC Edible Oils in larger quantities (1000 litre IBC). Oil is around 50 to 60p per litre so its half price motoring on new oil lowering to next to nothing if you reclaim and use waste oil.

To see what this will mean have a look at the table below, compare your average mpg to see how many miles or kilometres you can travel on veg oil without having to worry about fuel duty - that's right TAX FREE!! Perfectly legal.

Click on the link above for the table and other matters relating to Running vehicles on vegitable oils.

 

[n8rbos]

hiya i totally run on waste veg oil and have done so for a number of yrs. its correct whats been stated you are entitled to use 2,500 ltrs without notifying anyone

you ask if your stopped! you will be asked where you source/buy your oil from? have you a log of all said oils and receipts? if you're sensible you will say you have just started and if so req'd show them your last receipt(but remember to throw others away) .but 2,500 ltrs at say 7miles per litre (17,500 miles per year)is an awful lot of oil/mpg before having to notify the authorities,so doubtful any probs will arise

i use waste as i said so my mileage is virtually free, and there are pics and info on here on how i do it, if you want further help/info just ask!!

also your mot man obv. dosen't know what he is talking about!!

 

[twosugars]

Hi Piper,

You might like to have a read of a thread from a Vw van forum i go on.
i looked into biodesel a couple of years back.

Biodiesel on forecourt Cardiff - VW T4 Forum

As for cleaning out the fuel system, the proper biodiesel you can get from suppliers (british standard EN 14214) contains methanol which would clean your fuel lines out. Dont forget to change your fuel filter before it blocks with all the dislodged gunk!.

if you do go down the biodiesel route, here is a website listing a few suppliers,

List of Biodiesel Suppliers - PetrolPrices.com

 

[n8rbos]

Hi Piper,

You might like to have a read of a thread from a Vw van forum i go on.
i looked into biodesel a couple of years back.

Biodiesel on forecourt Cardiff - VW T4 Forum

As for cleaning out the fuel system, the proper biodiesel you can get from suppliers (british standard EN 14214) contains methanol which would clean your fuel lines out. Dont forget to change your fuel filter before it blocks with all the dislodged gunk!.

if you do go down the biodiesel route, here is a website listing a few suppliers,

List of Biodiesel Suppliers - PetrolPrices.com

biodiesel,svo(straight veg oil which he has used) and wvo (waste veg oil) are 3 different ways of using veg oil but with different costs and processes.with a minor addition to his engine which he can do himself he could be running on wvo for near to nothing

also you get biodiesel in your diesel at the pump now! 5% i believe, to be 7% next year and i reckon so on till 100% if its possible with modern cars!

 

[piper]

Thanks everyone for replies. I can rest easy now knowing the position.

I've often wondered why the price of new veggie oil is so high. I mean a lt of diesel costs say £1.20, but about 80p of that is tax, so the actual cost of the fuel is 30p.

So why does veggie cost over 90p ? Somebody somewhere is making a mint.

I'm going to see about getting some used oil. My T25 should run on it neat, but even if i put in a drop of the real stuff it will be a lot cheaper.

 

[bastonjock]

Make sure that your fuel pump can take the viscocity of the veggy oil, as it can wreck the pump

also spare a though for the forrest dwellers in S.E. Asia who are being run out of their ancestral homes so that the rain forrest can be cut down and replaced with Palm nut oil plantations,thats where your veggy oil comes from

 

[Boxerman]

also spare a though for the forrest dwellers in S.E. Asia who are being run out of their ancestral homes so that the rain forrest can be cut down and replaced with Palm nut oil plantations,thats where your veggy oil comes from

have you joined the Greenpeace "anti KitKat" campaign?

Rgds
Frank

 

[bmb1uk]

sunflower oil 2 x 3 ltr for £5 until end of year = 83 ltr

 

[bmb1uk]

sorry at tesco

 

[n8rbos]

Make sure that your fuel pump can take the viscocity of the veggy oil, as it can wreck the pump

also spare a though for the forrest dwellers in S.E. Asia who are being run out of their ancestral homes so that the rain forrest can be cut down and replaced with Palm nut oil plantations,thats where your veggy oil comes from

this is why i advocate the use of wvo, its already been used and being recycled to its last and being put back into the atmosphere to live on. any fuel has a negative side to it!! even these so-called 'hybrid ' cars, and electric cars . wheres the power come from, power stations!!!!! burning some kind of fuel!!and so the circle continues.

 

[bastonjock]

A couple of year back i was buying veggie oil by the pallet load from the chinese supermarkets,i would have bought it from tescos but they stopped my going through the check out with a trolley piled high with three liter bottles of veggy oil,rapeseed is the best if you can get it.

I had my fuel guzzeling 4x4 fully rigged for running on Svo,i had plug heaters,filter preheaters and fuel line heaters all wired in,i would fire up on Diesel and then after a few mins switch over to SVO,i was at the time paying around 50p a liter.

One evening i watched a documentary about the Tribesmen whos way of life is being destroyed by the planting of Palm trees,palm oil makes up the majority of the stuff that you buy in Chinese supermarkets,so i stopped putting SVO into my car.

The original diesel engine was designed with the idea in mind that the people in the poor countrys of the world could have an engine that ran on vegetable oil,Mr Diesel was a belgian engineer

 

[biggirafe]

Hi Piper,

You might like to have a read of a thread from a Vw van forum i go on.
i looked into biodesel a couple of years back.

Biodiesel on forecourt Cardiff - VW T4 Forum

As for cleaning out the fuel system, the proper biodiesel you can get from suppliers (british standard EN 14214) contains methanol which would clean your fuel lines out. Dont forget to change your fuel filter before it blocks with all the dislodged gunk!.

if you do go down the biodiesel route, here is a website listing a few suppliers,

List of Biodiesel Suppliers - PetrolPrices.com

Thanks 2sugars, heres another couple of links with plenty of good info
Welcome to Pure Biodiesel
http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/outlets.htm

 

[BedfordMJ]

Make sure that your fuel pump can take the viscocity of the veggy oil, as it can wreck the pump

also spare a though for the forrest dwellers in S.E. Asia who are being run out of their ancestral homes so that the rain forrest can be cut down and replaced with Palm nut oil plantations,thats where your veggy oil comes from

Don't think they are talking of using palm nut oil. I think they are talking of vegetable oil such as sunflower or rape.

 

[kenjones]

My VW T4 is fitted with an Eberspacher Airtronic D2 heater supplied from the vehicle diesel tank. The heater is definatly not approved for use with bio-diesel (according to the handbook).
Whether or not the engine will use bio seems irrelevant. I guess i'm stuck with forecourt prices.

 

[BedfordMJ]

Get a separate tank and run it on red.

 

[n8rbos]

A couple of year back i was buying veggie oil by the pallet load from the chinese supermarkets,i would have bought it from tescos but they stopped my going through the check out with a trolley piled high with three liter bottles of veggy oil,rapeseed is the best if you can get it.

I had my fuel guzzeling 4x4 fully rigged for running on Svo,i had plug heaters,filter preheaters and fuel line heaters all wired in,i would fire up on Diesel and then after a few mins switch over to SVO,i was at the time paying around 50p a liter.

One evening i watched a documentary about the Tribesmen whos way of life is being destroyed by the planting of Palm trees,palm oil makes up the majority of the stuff that you buy in Chinese supermarkets,so i stopped putting SVO into my car.

The original diesel engine was designed with the idea in mind that the people in the poor countrys of the world could have an engine that ran on vegetable oil,Mr Diesel was a belgian engineer

have you stopped eating chinese ,indian,italian food,eating out in general????? not cooking chips at home??? just a small point

the rainforest is being chopped down at an astronomical rate for other reasons!!!paper for instance !!have you stopped using paper?

is drilling for oil not damaging the earth?does the pollutants not damage the earth? does your car run on fuel which produces toxic fumes?

theres more to worry about in this world i'm afraid

 

[Boxerman]

have you stopped eating chinese ,indian,italian food,eating out in general????? not cooking chips at home??? just a small point

the rainforest is being chopped down at an astronomical rate for other reasons!!!paper for instance !!have you stopped using paper?

is drilling for oil not damaging the earth?does the pollutants not damage the earth? does your car run on fuel which produces toxic fumes?

theres more to worry about in this world i'm afraid

I haven't had any Chinese meals after what someone told me on this forum, Indian food is cooked in ghee (clarified butter), Italian food is usually cooked in olive oil, not palm or rapeseed. The oil we use at home for cooking is olive, the rainforests are hardwoods, papermaking uses softwoods.

Using any fossil fuels damage the environment and use non renewable resources but that does not mean to say we should all say "sod it I won't bother" Please don't take the p*ss because someone wishes to protest in his own way - at least it shows he cares.

Frank

 

[n8rbos]

I haven't had any Chinese meals after what someone told me on this forum, Indian food is cooked in ghee (clarified butter), Italian food is usually cooked in olive oil, not palm or rapeseed. The oil we use at home for cooking is olive, the rainforests are hardwoods, papermaking uses softwoods.

Using any fossil fuels damage the environment and use non renewable resources but that does not mean to say we should all say "sod it I won't bother" Please don't take the p*ss because someone wishes to protest in his own way - at least it shows he cares.

Frank

wasn't takin the p88s as u put it!!! i certainly do not say sod it about recycling as can be varified on here and by what members of this site have seen,plus i recycle wood/bricks etc from salvage yards.
the point i was trying to make was have you stopped doing all the things that damage the environment as you feel so strongly about??