Funky Farmer
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With respect old chap. I ain't going the ringa ringa roses route. I have had my say and that's it. I think I was plain enough
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vindiboy
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Slightly off thread but in the same vein, I saw on BBC News today that an Hotel in London has reduced it's room price per night from £500 to £100 because of no takers, during the you know what, this is the same as Campsites no footfall but they expect to get the same pitch price, charge less, offer less facilities as I have said earlier and they will get trade.
Bushtrekker
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OK, hoiw much do you consider is realistic.
As motorhomers we are a fairly independent bunch of people, only needing water, toilet emptying facilities and in some cases electricity. I'm happy to pay up to £10 every few days to get these facilities, but moan like hell when I can only find sites charging £20 plus per night because they have clubs, swimming pools etc. What do you lot consider a reasonable price for access to what we need?
As motorhomers we are a fairly independent bunch of people, only needing water, toilet emptying facilities and in some cases electricity. I'm happy to pay up to £10 every few days to get these facilities, but moan like hell when I can only find sites charging £20 plus per night because they have clubs, swimming pools etc. What do you lot consider a reasonable price for access to what we need?
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what,to empty a bog and get a bit of water? £3,same as i'd pay in france
Funky Farmer
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As many have said before CL's or CS's Hundreds at at around £8 a night. And best of all NO CROWDS. The next best thing to wilding there is IMO
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What is a CL? (yes I could Google it, but I want to know how it's different to an aire, and you chaps seem to know a lot about this subject)
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CL = certified location run privately but under umbrella of CC. Also CS = certified site run privately but under C&CC licence/inspection.
They are maximum 5 van/pitch site charging from £5 to £12 a night usually with very basic facilities. A field, a tap and chemical disposal point. If you are lucky you may get hook ups and small toilet block.
There are twice as many CL's as CS's and technically you need to be a member of the umbrella organisation to use them. Although if you can find the contact listing for the site many will accept anyone to get the business.
Funky Farmer
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But you ain't in France. You are in UK where everything is dearer. It's like comparing apples and pears :idea-007:
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I think that there is a lot of jealousy aimed at Motorhomers, people see us parked up in what they see as very expensive bits of kit [ as some are ] and they think look at that lot having fun, shouldn't be allowed I am not doing it why should they, it is something we have to live with,and we should not do any thing to antagonise these ill informed people, they forget that they could be dong the same as us if they choose to.
Bushtrekker
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That would be nice, but realistically itt won't happen here...unless.
In France the facilities were variable, especially on campsites. The best ones were the integrated type which I think are run, or supplied, by one company. If a similar system operated here on a commercial basis, so that we could park up, fill up and empty the loo,then drive on, it might just work. The reson I said I would be prepared to pay £10 is that it's useful to have access to showers and laundry facilities as well.
In France the facilities were variable, especially on campsites. The best ones were the integrated type which I think are run, or supplied, by one company. If a similar system operated here on a commercial basis, so that we could park up, fill up and empty the loo,then drive on, it might just work. The reson I said I would be prepared to pay £10 is that it's useful to have access to showers and laundry facilities as well.
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We stayed at a CL on the isle of Wight last year while working on the island. We're not members ,but rang te lady in advance and she was happy for us to stay for a week.We were the only ones there :banana:
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Haha If the saw mine they might have a collection to buy me a newer motorhovel :lol-053:
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aha!thats why my answer is actually a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question! in reality,in the uk i use public toilets,with no embarassment,**** is **** and yes it smells !,or i'll dig a hole in the woods,water from a garage or private house.i'll use aires in france because they make life easy,i like that,but here i wouldn't bother to go on a campsite and pay to do these basic things,just too longwinded just adding---i saw in brittany a bourne set up outside the entrance to a campsite! what a great idea!no need to drive in queue up and explain your needs.perfect
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If CCC Members were to complain to the club about non members on the CL the owner would have her Certificate withdrawn, likewise if a sites inspector were to call ,and they do, again the owner would loose their certificate and would no longer be able to operate, so be careful to whom you talk to, we can't afford to loose any sites.:scared:
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but we dont have to pay anything .there are thousands of public toilets that you can tip your sewage . only like going twenty times in the same one . as for rubbish uk is full of bins all over the place . there is no need for aires or anything there is no problem stopping almost anywhere . if a place goes on about it then dont go there let your wheels do the talking . why waste time if they dont want you.
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one doesnt another one does .
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We Wild Camp quite extensively winter time in Spain and Portugal amongst other Countries, last Winter at Manta Rota on the Algarve the Police moved all vans away , we returned about three weeks later to find about 60 vans of all Nations parked up, apparently the local traders all kicked up to the Mayor and wanted the vans back as they were loosing a huge amount of money from the Wilders. So vans were allowed back and were allowed to stay until March 25th I think the date was set at, now I understand there is a small charge to park up and water and toilet facilities are now there. A result for common sense I would say.
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I read the same thing - that overall tourist figures this year for the UK may well be considerably down because there may be a lot of people here for the Olympics but others have decided to avoid the perceived crowds and go to quieter countries! Its a funny old world, so you'd think that owners of accommodation would try to avoid insulting potential customers.
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That sounds far to sensible.
It will never happen here, mainly because in areas we are likely to want to visit, campsite owners and councillors are the same people. It's a pity, because local shops would benefit greatly in rural areas and our presence could actually make the difference between local shops closing or staying open. France is far more geared up to motor homes than this country will ever be, simply because they have a more commonsense approach. If they make motorhomes welcome the local, shops, bars and restaurants all benefit.
It will never happen here, mainly because in areas we are likely to want to visit, campsite owners and councillors are the same people. It's a pity, because local shops would benefit greatly in rural areas and our presence could actually make the difference between local shops closing or staying open. France is far more geared up to motor homes than this country will ever be, simply because they have a more commonsense approach. If they make motorhomes welcome the local, shops, bars and restaurants all benefit.
iceman1956
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This thread has definitely moved on from my last post, and a lot of good points have been made. We don't know exactly what was said by Suzy Watts only what was reported to have been said. "But there ain't smoke without fire" neither do we know if she works 7 months or 12 months of the year to make her living. If her business is suffering re-look at your business model and restructure acordingly, that is what the rest of us have to do!! It is all too easy to blame others for our misfortune.
Do I personally think that her charges are excessive yes I do. But I also pay these excessive fees when I have. I run my own business and do understand the true cost of supplying goods or services are more that the imediate face value, but I also come across the greedy side of business were they are out for a quick buck, and don't care who they overcharge as long as they make there excessive profits. 200% markup for passing a piece of paper and then complain they are loosing business because my charges are too high.
Now back to the main point in that what we need is legitimate parking area's that we can overnight in, whether that be in a town centre or out in the sticks. Without fear of prosecution or retaliation from the biggeted people. If we have fresh water and somewhere to dump the waste, that is a bonus. :cool1:
Do I personally think that her charges are excessive yes I do. But I also pay these excessive fees when I have. I run my own business and do understand the true cost of supplying goods or services are more that the imediate face value, but I also come across the greedy side of business were they are out for a quick buck, and don't care who they overcharge as long as they make there excessive profits. 200% markup for passing a piece of paper and then complain they are loosing business because my charges are too high.
Now back to the main point in that what we need is legitimate parking area's that we can overnight in, whether that be in a town centre or out in the sticks. Without fear of prosecution or retaliation from the biggeted people. If we have fresh water and somewhere to dump the waste, that is a bonus. :cool1:
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