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If anyone is wondering why Motorhomers (both Grockles and Emmets) prefer to stay in the towns of Devon and Cornwall instead of venturing into the countryside, there is an excellent DVD that explains it all.

I believe that it's all based on a true story and should be sold as an introductory guide in Tourist Information Centres! :)

Here's the trailer (warning, a little gory in places).... Small Town Folk Official Trailer - YouTube

think this is rather apt for Scarborough :dance:
 
I am afraid that a hookup is compulsory at virtually every campsite in the country nowadays. It is getting harder to get a pitch that is not called 'fully serviced' and therefore more expensive. I could be wrong of course as this is just information I have seen posted on forums. The nearest I get to a site is a THS with the C & CC.


sorry that just aint correct... theres plenty about that dont
 
This lady charges £4.50 per day for a hookup on her site. If someone stayed there for one year, I make that £1642.50 for a hookup of 13 amps max., possibly as low as 10 amps. it would cost a further £2 per day for a dog (£730).

Did you know that it is illegal to re-sell electricity at a higher price than you pay for it. Virtually every campsite in the counry is guilty of this. Because campers only stay for very short periods, it goes unnoticed. Stay long term and it is very expensive. My total Gas AND Electric bills for the year fall well short of the cost of one miserable hookup on a site.

I also noticed on her website that a dog costs £3 per day if you are in a Static caravan. Why the £1 extra?

I think that has got to be the most ludicrous analogy of this entire debate! This is a camp site where people come for a few days. Do you know, my local council charges £2 per hour on its car parks. If I were to park my car all the time it would cost me £48 a day or £17,520 a year. That is disgraceful! Making me pay £17,000 a year when I can park free on the street outside my house!

Camp sites are regulated and examined regularly by trading standards officers. The cost of the actual electricity is just a portion of the cost of installing hook-ups to each pitch, maintaining them and subjecting them to annual safety checks. But of course, no one ever thinks of little things like that because they know bugger all about the true cost of running a business.

But let's look at the charges that this woman makes. She has been accused of 'fleecing' customers, rip-off prices to park 'on her patch of grass' and generally being a total con artist.

Her site must be of quite a high quality as it was a runner up in the AA's Campsite of the Year awards. Off season it charges £11 a night for a pitch and two people. At the height of the season it charges £18.95 a night. Electricity is £4.50 making a total in low season of £15.50 and in high season a total of £23.45. I wish I could find good sites at these prices in France and Spain at the height of the season! Rip off Britain eh!

One member accused her of charging £60 a night. Of course he'd read from another member that sites in Cornwall charge £50-70 a night and simply decided that this terrible woman must be charging the same!

But in my opinion she is being totally honest! She could, as many do, include electricity in her charges which would probably infuriate people on here even more as they often don't want it. But she doesn't and she gives you the choice and keeps her pitch prices lower.

Now, I really have no idea what it costs to provide electric hook-ups and maintain them but I have no doubt that she has convinced the relevant authorities that her charge is justified. In cooler months people will run heaters in their awnings all day!

But what really is appalling, is the utter character assassination of a women simply voicing her opinion. She's not stupid, she'll know that all motorhomers who wild camp won't flood onto her site but can't you see what may have moved her to speak? She pays the local council a fortune in business rates and when she walks out of her door she sees dozens of motorhomers lining up on the prom and paying nothing. She is entitled to her opinion, you and others may disagree but what you shouldn't do is insult and belittle her for having an opinion. And we wonder why motorhomers are disliked? Although I have to say that I have never experienced this hatred that people claim is directed at them and I believe that most of it is wild exaggeration!

Here is a link to her site:

Boscrege Caravan and Camping Park

And finally, a tip for you all. If you want to park your 'van somewhere for a whole year make sure that you don't choose a holiday site in one of the most popular counties in the country where EHU is charged separately! There are many cheaper alternatives!

Edited to say: I forgot to mention the dog charges and again this is an example of people totally unaware of the facts and jumping to the the same old conclusion that it's a rip-off charge. This site, like many these days, has partitioned a section of its land to make a very large dog-walking field, so that owners may exercise their dogs without having to leave the site.

This means that the land in question, which could host another large number of static caravans or campers, is costing a lot of money. So they charge £2.00 for dogs to cover the cost of providing this facility. Isn't this fair? The dog owners are the ones responsible for the loss of revenue in leaving a large area non-productive. Why should we, who don't have dogs, bear this cost?

And why do people renting statics pay more for their dogs? Well, I would have thought that absolutely obvious. If you're in your own caravan or motorhome your dog is making your property dirty and smelly. If you're renting a static caravan your dog is making the site owner's property dirty and smelly. And yes, I know that that's a modest exaggeration but dogs can damage 'vans and fabrics, and anyone who's visited a friend's 'van where there are dogs will know what I mean! Owners somehow get used to the pong and don't even know it's there!
 
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If anyone is wondering why Motorhomers (both Grockles and Emmets) prefer to stay in the towns of Devon and Cornwall instead of venturing into the countryside, there is an excellent DVD that explains it all.

I believe that it's all based on a true story and should be sold as an introductory guide in Tourist Information Centres! :)

Here's the trailer (warning, a little gory in places).... Small Town Folk Official Trailer - YouTube

that video is almost a direct copy of our family holiday vid from the time we went to cornwall! aaahh memories.....
 
She could, as many do, include electricity in her charges which would probably infuriate people on here even more as they often don't want it. But she doesn't and she gives you the choice and keeps her pitch prices lower.

As Maingate said, it is actually illegal for her to re-sell electricity for more than it costs her, so she is breaking the law! If you were not so blinkered you might have a good point but it is ridiculous to claim that all the fault is on the side of those who complain about her and that she should be free from criticism.
 
I've just got back from a week in Devon, started out I planned to go to 3 museums and 2 castles and stop on a site if i could mid week to recharge batteries. It took me 1 1/2 days to realise its almost without exception MH's are hated there, from the way people drive, park around you, glare at you, even look the other way while taking your money in garages (thats before i filled up my water lol!, it did cost me 60p in the machine!). Everything is about extracting max money for least value and MH's are the scum of the earth it seems. The number of people who carved me up in traffic jams on the road, well they've obviously never been up north 'cos people who do that up here get a thump! Got horn blown (plus mucky look) at me twice whilst parked up IN THE DAY!

I did have the last laugh tho, had a great time, went in one museum, had one take-away, walked round the outside of the castles and even got mis-changed in a shop when the cashier gave me change for a £20 when i'd only given her a £10.....HA!

It's odd that you are treated so badly as I have never ever this kind of animosity. Why should garage owners not like you when you and other motorhomers are putting in eighty quid's worth of diesel? It makes no sense and I suspect that like others on here you exaggerate somewhat!

But what I find absolutely staggering is that you come on a public forum and boast about stealing money! Retailers offer you a product, you don't need to buy it if you don't want, but I've no doubt that if you thought, usually without any real evidence, that it's a rip-off (translation, more than you think it should be) you'd be shouting the same old rubbish. But these retailers haven't stolen from you as you have done from the castle that gave you ten pounds too much, and knowing this, you walked away.

I really do finds it a sad reflection on Britain today that, not only will people steal money like this (and it's theft by keeping, a criminal offence) but they come on forums boasting about it. I just hope that they didn't see you getting into your motorhome as that will be another reason for people to dislike us.
 
50? I don't know for sure myself but it's been pointed out that there is not the room for 50 camper vans. If there is then I'm sure they are allowed to be 'parked up in the afternoon' without actually 'camping'.
As has been mentioned, some proportion may very well be day visitors to the town/village who are staying at her site.


What? all 50? The same ones? If she is so certain of this then perhaps she has identified all fifty and would know if she is complaining about her own customers.

It seems to me Mrs Watts has used a fair bit of exaggeration in her description of the situation and it is only to be expected that people will react to this in their views. It's all very well defending the business operator here but you must be prepared to consider that her words may well not be gospel.

She may have been exaggerating but the fact is I don't know, do you? But that's not my point. My point is in the bile that was aimed at this woman for having an opinion and I am saddened that many members on here seem unable to see things from anywhere but their own perspective and are never prepared to consider what may have led her to have these views.

It's the same every time. They're all greedy, they're all filthy rich from grossly over-charging, they all want to bully us onto their sites. It's utter b*ll*cks! Look at the link I provided to her site! It is a very nice site for those who like that kind of thing. The prices are very reasonable compared to any other sites, including CC and C& CC but what is she to members here?

This is what she is to one: well i thought she sounded nice and 60 or 70 quid a night is nothing to one as fabulously wealthy as moi.plus the satisfaction of knowing i am helping this creature fleece the revolting grockles will help me sleep at night,even on her stupidly over priced patch of grass. on second thoughts i'm off to wales,where even as an english,i'm considered human

This 'creature' charges between £11 and £18.95 plus EHU if you want it!
 
In the height of season many sites in cornwall are £ 50.00 to £ 70.00 per night !
All most of us need is a field with some water and a drain ?
Come on campsite owners move with the times !

you can get exactly that at my CL in DEvon for just £7 a night, includes use of a table/bench and a BBQ if required and most of the time have the place to yourselves (pub 800 yards up the road). We charge the same all year round. Like you I hate inflated rates and extras for dogs etc. There has to be balance and affordable camping for those of us who are scraping by.

Oops my signature has disappeared See Lazy Buzzard Campsite in places to stop in Devon.
 
I am totally bemused by how this thread has developed again, I have bought my camper van it is totally shelf surfactant so i can come and go as i please.
I dont care about other peoples businesses as they dont care about my business, I refuse to make assumptions on other people on here with only a few words written but some people on her are able to do this???? this is not a business forum it is a wild camping fourum so its not hard to guess how we feel about wild camping.

I think some people need to re-scrutinise their choice of forum to air their views.
 
I am totally bemused by how this thread has developed again, I have bought my camper van it is totally shelf surfactant so i can come and go as i please.
I dont care about other peoples businesses as they dont care about my business, I refuse to make assumptions on other people on here with only a few words written but some people on her are able to do this???? this is not a business forum it is a wild camping fourum so its not hard to guess how we feel about wild camping.

I think some people need to re-scrutinise their choice of forum to air their views.

Yes, but the thread developed (if you've read it properly) because members on here made assumptions, most of which were totally wrong, about the subject of the link and insulted her in the most vile way. And the ones who need to examine whether they are on the right forum are these same people, who seem determined to make us all pariahs by their insulting and extreme views. If we are indeed despised and disliked by some people, if they'd read this thread and the opinions expressed, they'd hate us even more.

But what you appear to be saying, is that if anyone objects to such rude and extreme views that they should seek another forum to express their objections? Why do I suspect that your post is just another rather snide little attack on someone whom you don't like and with whom you've clashed in the past. It's getting to be rather a boring habit of yours I'm afraid.

And finally, who is stopping you from doing what you want and being self sufficient? Who is stopping you from coming and going as you please, as long as you camp and behave responsibly, who is physically herding you onto these dreadful camp sites? I'd love to know!
 
I am totally bemused by how this thread has developed again, I have bought my camper van it is totally shelf surfactant so i can come and go as i please.
I dont care about other peoples businesses as they dont care about my business, I refuse to make assumptions on other people on here with only a few words written but some people on her are able to do this???? this is not a business forum it is a wild camping fourum so its not hard to guess how we feel about wild camping.

I think some people need to re-scrutinise their choice of forum to air their views.

I agree.

I'd add that in the short time I've been a member of this site, it is obvious that some people just like to engage in a damned good argument and pontificate their opinions no matter what the subject. I deal with this by ignoring their posts. Simples.

Both sides of this discussion have been greatly exaggerated in my opinion.

I would add that it is not uncommon for camping site owners to resent us wild campers, because we don't contribute as much to their profits as do the caravaners. So, instead of berating us and trying to force us out of the neighbourhood, what they should be doing is attracting us to their sites. They could do this by offering us reduced rates and maybe our own motorhome area? After all not that many campervans or motorhomes take up the space of a caravan and a car.

With regard to the bit about overcharging for power hook-ups, Canal and River Trust (CART), who are actually British Waterways with a new hat on, now charge power hook ups to boats on individual smart meters. You pay for what you use. That is how electricity should be sold on.

Tone
 
I know that being parked up in the afternoon doesn't mean you are camping. It doesn't mean you are not already using her establishment.

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I use quite a lot of campsites in the UK (but mostly abroad). Towing a caravan with my van allows me to stay at a campsite and be able to tour/visit an area more freely. If I stayed at her campsite I would undoubtedly be off to the beach for the day in the van.

I consider myself to be not quite at the bottom end as regards disposable income. My van is paid for, my caravan is paid for. We can take holidays without too much of a financial burden at the moment. It must be remembered though that there are members on here that struggle to get away for even a weekend. Some of these have a number of children that would push the cost of a campsite beyond their means. £30 a night for a fortnight plus fuel makes this kind of holiday impossible and they would never stay at her campsite anyway.


No, the only business she considers that it's unfair to is her own. Other local traders/shopkeepers are the ones it would be unfair to if 'more than 50 camper vans' were prevented from visiting the location.

I'm not disagreeing with you! Of course she will think it unfair because as I said, she pays the council a fortune in business rates. I'm not saying she's right either. But she is entitled to her opinion and doesn't deserve the invective heaped upon her by some members, most of it untrue. If we are allowed to argue for wild camping, why isn't she allowed to argue against it?

I love wild camping, but only in the right places, which for me means wild! So for the last time I hope, I know why people wild camp, I know why you're self-sufficient etc. etc. and my complaint in this thread is just about the unreasonable untrue and thoroughly nasty comments made about this lady.
 
And finally, who is stopping you from doing what you want and being self sufficient? Who is stopping you from coming and going as you please, as long as you camp and behave responsibly, who is physically herding you onto these dreadful camp sites? I'd love to know!

That campsite owner is trying to - that is the entire point. I am pretty sure that nobody on here would have made any comment about her if she had not claimed that she was "horrified" by our presence, that it was harming her business (without any proof at all) and that she was asking the local council to ban us from the area. If she instead promoted her campsite by giving special offers to motorhomers (as many other owners do) instead of vilifying us then she would probably have got a few extra customers and attracted no negative comment at all.
 
If some of these dumb Camp site owners got their act together and provided only a parking area with a central water point and toilet dump for about £5 + and possibly electricity at an extra cost they would find that Motorhomers would probably use their site , we don't want fancy sites we just want somewhere to overnight ,as in the foreign Aires. I realise that some want showers etc well Ok they can have the all singing dancing sites available to them.
 

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