Is the Golden Age Over - Portinscale

[Fisherman]

The question is

Is the golden age over.

And the answer is yes.

But what upsets me the most is the fact that we seem to simply accept this,
And some cannot even see what lies ahead.
Yes we will continue to add rural pois, but the urban pois will slowly disappear, putting more pressure on those that are left.

The big problem I have already posted on is the domino effect.
With each council closing access to us, it has now become the norm to erect barriers, or put up signage stopping us from parking.

No one out there is fighting our corner, and that has to change.

 

[malagaoth]

But the blunt instrument used by over zealous councils is not how to solve the problem

and what would your solution be,
dedicated parking? you would then be fighting for more spaces or spaces in a different part of town

 

[phillybarbour]

Still having great times in the van, however we prefer rural locations and have had few issues. It’s not France but we still love it.

 

[mickymost]

Still having great times in the van, however we prefer rural locations and have had few issues. It’s not France but we still love it.

Do you drive more than 56mph?

 

[Fisherman]

and what would your solution be,
dedicated parking? you would then be fighting for more spaces or spaces in a different part of town

As I don't live near Whitby or have ever visited it I don't know what the answer would be.
But Whitby barring motorhomes will move them somewhere else, and as more and more local councils ban us,
the spaces left will become overcrowded, leading to further bans.

But unlike you I am not prepared to accept that one or two bad apples should lead to motorhomes being barred.

I am sure there are other issues at Whitby that have not nor will ever be solved.
But as per usual its us who suffer.

You keep telling yourself and anyone else who will listen that there is no solution.
There is always a solution, but the councils are simply taking the easy cheap way out.

 

[mistericeman]

There is always a solution, but the councils are simply taking the easy cheap way out.

Cash strapped councils with a already established tourist trade taking the easy way out ???

The tourists that spend far more than your average motorhomer does are already beating the doors down for most of the year ...the council obviously arent interested in investing in anything to do with motorhomes campervans ...

 

[yorkslass]

As I don't live near Whitby or have ever visited it I don't know what the answer would be.
But Whitby barring motorhomes will move them somewhere else, and as more and more local councils ban us,
the spaces left will become overcrowded, leading to further bans.

But unlike you I am not prepared to accept that one or two bad apples should lead to motorhomes being barred.

I am sure there are other issues at Whitby that have not nor will ever be solved.
But as per usual its us who suffer.

You keep telling yourself and anyone else who will listen that there is no solution.
There is always a solution, but the councils are simply taking the easy cheap way out.

The council's answer to everything is to herd everyone on to campsites.

Because they live in ivory towers they have people in who agree with them and their point of view, not ordinary people who, heaven above, may see things differently.

 

[mickymost]

The council's answer to everything is to herd everyone on to campsites.

Because they live in ivory towers they have people in who agree with them and their point of view, not ordinary people who, heaven above, may see things differently.

Well said!

 

[mickymost]

Well said!

Jobs for the boys/girls im afraid!(councillors)

 

[mickymost]

The council's answer to everything is to herd everyone on to campsites.

Because they live in ivory towers they have people in who agree with them and their point of view, not ordinary people who, heaven above, may see things differently.

Campsites regimental rows,rules,views of the surrounding hedges not for me thank you!

 

[Fisherman]

Cash strapped councils with a already established tourist trade taking the easy way out ???

The tourists that spend far more than your average motorhomer does are already beating the doors down for most of the year ...the council obviously arent interested in investing in anything to do with motorhomes campervans ...

Ah well that’s that sorted then.

Just close all the urban carparks to campers and Motorhomes, then we can all either head for campsites ( if you book months in advance), head for remote locations, book into a B&B, or sell your van. Take your pick.
Only problem, there will be a glut of vans for sale and you might not do well when you sell up.

 

[malagaoth]

You keep telling yourself and anyone else who will listen that there is no solution

I dont say that there is no solution I say that I dont what a workable solution is.

Campsites regimental rows,rules,views of the surrounding hedges not for me thank you

yes the situation as photographed in Whitby is far better - I dont think!

actually you may think that parking tight up against another motorhome is preferable - apparently quite a few do, as an example I was parked up in a ferry terminal carpark in Scotland - I was catching the 6.00 ferry and the operator is quite relaxed about over night parking - I was parked alonside another motorhome with a gap of about 20 feet, lo and behold about an hour later another motorhome arrived and parked between us, no need for him to do so he just some how felt it was appropriate! - if we had opened our side windows we could have shaken hands!

I drove off to the other end of the almost empty carpark about 50 yards away

 

[Fisherman]

The council's answer to everything is to herd everyone on to campsites.

Because they live in ivory towers they have people in who agree with them and their point of view, not ordinary people who, heaven above, may see things differently.

Try booking a campsite near Whitby less than three months before your visit, no chance.

We are banging our heads of a wall here.

It’s all our fault, we deserve to be treated like crap.
After all we gave the government thousands in vat when we bought our vans, pay our road tax, fuel duty, and insurance.. we keep thousands of people in a job, add hundreds of millions to the economy, and are mainly people who have worked hard all of our lives to be able to afford what we have now got.

Yes we deserve what is dished out to us, it’s all our fault.

 

[mistericeman]

Ah well that’s that sorted then.

Just close all the urban carparks to campers and Motorhomes, then we can all either head for campsites ( if you book months in advance), head for remote locations, book into a B&B, or sell your van. Take your pick.
Only problem, there will be a glut of vans for sale and you might not do well when you sell up.

IF you want to pay to stay on some council supplied 'area' then that's up to you....

I'm still frankly puzzled how being in some carpark/Park and ride /Iceland car park etc
Has much to do with to do with 'wild camping'....

Ill not be selling my van.... And doing the same as I've always done...
Use a map and Google earth etc to head off away from folks into unpopulated areas where I suspect lots have no idea I'm there or have been there.

 

[mickymost]

I dont say that there is no solution I say that I dont what a workable solution is.





yes the situation as photographed in Whitby is far better - I dont think!

actually you may think that parking tight up against another motorhome is preferable

I drove off to the other end of the almost empty carpark about 50 yards away

No actually I dont think its preferable to sit on top of other motorhomes we like our space and would move if we found a good space THEN some other oik parked tight next door

So sorry you are wrong on that point

 

[Fisherman]

IF you want to pay to stay on some council supplied 'area' then that's up to you....

I'm still frankly puzzled how being in some carpark/Park and ride /Iceland car park etc
Has much to do with to do with 'wild camping'....

Ill not be selling my van.... And doing the same as I've always done...
Use a map and Google earth etc to head off away from folks into unpopulated areas where I suspect lots have no idea I'm there or have been there.

Wild Camping did I say that, well blow me away then.

So you enjoy the rural locations, good for you.
You might be surprised to know that not everyone has your taste in POIs.
Or is it simply, 'I am alright Jack'

bye the way I am posting from the north of Scotland near Dingwall, by the side of a loch who's name I don't know.
I to enjoy rural POIs, but I appreciate that others prefer visiting less rural locations.

 

[malagaoth]

I'm still frankly puzzled how being in some carpark/Park and ride /Iceland car park etc
Has much to do with to do with 'wild camping'[/quote

exactly!

I struggle to understand the thinking of people who complain about being crammed in regmented rows in a camp site yet willing park as per image of Whitby

town center car parks have their place I have used them (where permitted) but I wouldnt regard it as 'wild camping'


You might be surprised to know that not everyone has your taste in POIs.

not every one likes the same things that is for sure but if being one of 50 motorhomes crammed into a slightly squalid Whitby carpark is your thing might I reccommend Jules Ferry near Calais? free phone charging and showers!

 

[Fisherman]

I'm still frankly puzzled how being in some carpark/Park and ride /Iceland car park etc
Has much to do with to do with 'wild camping'[/quote

exactly!

I struggle to understand the thinking of people who complain about being crammed in regmented rows in a camp site yet willing park as per image of Whitby

town center car parks have their place I have used them (where permitted) but I wouldnt regard it as 'wild camping'


You might be surprised to know that not everyone has your taste in POIs.

not every one likes the same things that is for sure but if being one of 50 motorhomes crammed into a slightly squalid Whitby carpark is your thing might I reccommend Jules Ferry near Calais? free phone charging and showers!

So perhaps we should get admin to remove all urban pois then, after all its not real 'wild camping'

I occasionally use urban pois because you can get better locations within the town than the camp site.
Also normally you have to book weeks in advance to get into a camp site.

Take Cellardyke near Anstruther. You can go to the campsite and get a pitch looking onto a road, or head down to the shore and enjoy the sea views.
And normally you are alone or possibly one other van may be there also.
There are many other examples I could give.

 

[mickymost]

So perhaps we should get admin to remove all urban pois then, after all its not real 'wild camping'

I occasionally use urban pois because you can get better locations within the town than the camp site.

You can go to the campsite and get a pitch looking onto a road, or head down to the shore and enjoy the sea views.
And normally you are alone or possibly one other van may be there also.

Thats the beauty of wild camping to be able to choose where one parks up with Facilities i/e shops on ones doorstep or Sea views being near a beach rather than being pressured to stay on a campsite where you cant arrive till 2pm and have to be off by 10am(example)and pay through the nose for the privilege
some urban POIS Tick a box to some but not others same with the rural POIS they may not suit everyone so horses for courses as they say.

Michael

 

[Fisherman]

Thats the beauty of wild camping to be able to choose where one parks up with Facilities i/e shops on ones doorstep or Sea views being near a beach rather than being pressured to stay on a campsite where you cant arrive till 2pm and have to be off by 10am(example)and pay through the nose for the privilege
some urban POIS Tick a box to some but not others same with the rural POIS they may not suit everyone so horses for courses as they say.

Michael

Yep, spot on Michael.
But the TRUE wildcampers on here reckon that unless you are surrounded by by farmland, wild animals, and the great outdoors you are no “wild camper”, you are simply a pale simulation of what wild camping is all about.
I love all of the above, but I also know that some prefer more urban locations.
We are all wild campers but with varying preferences.