Is legal rise the top roof anywhere in UK?

estresao

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Hi guys,

Just became full member and I'm impressed about how many amazing places there are in UK to explore with my VW California. My questions is whether we can raise the Cali top roof anywhere in UK or I could get a fine if I do somewhere? I'm planing to sleep mainly in the sites suggested by this web POIs.

Thanks a lot guy.
 
I can't see a problem with raising your roof. Who do you think you might upset?
 
Might not be a good idea in residential streets where some members seem to park.
 
Great!!! :dance:

I guess common sense should be applied.

The question is because I'm Spaniard, and in Spain it's "banned". It's a little complex to expain inna couple of lines, but basically Spanish laws make differences between camp and park, and you are not allow to park anywhere. Law says nothing about to rise the roof, but it could be interpreted by any police agent as camp, so you could very easily get a fine.This aspect is not black and white, but by default much better to pretend you are parked rather that camped.
 
yes we've heard about this law in Spain, in fact we have a spy in their legal system who not only updates us about such things ,but also gives us regular weather reports, for some reason !
over here though,we had to think a bit about what you meant ,as such a law is, thank god, quite alien to us !
 
yes we've heard about this law in Spain, in fact we have a spy in their legal system who not only updates us about such things ,but also gives us regular weather reports, for some reason !
over here though,we had to think a bit about what you meant ,as such a law is, thank god, quite alien to us !

Thank goodness that it is beyond our Ken...
 
The Law

If an umbrella pops up and its not raining is it illegal as my catch is faulty, I know parasol is legal.:dance:

Sorry I found the op question very funny till he explained the spanish law.
 
I thought the VW. California did not come with a raising roof, it was built with a high top? I have never seen one with a pop top.:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
well here is me having the VW.T4 stuck in my head, didn't even think of the new T5, thanks for that.:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
This topic is very recurring and indignating among Spanish camper. Law is not (intentionately) clear and the police agent always has the last word.

There are different reasons, and someway it's good to regulate "things" in protected areas and very turtistics places. The problem ussually are camptites owners and campsites associations, they are pressuring city councils, governs and so on to get more customers. Many times the police appears because previously they receive a call from the camping owner. Sometimes the campsite directly belongs to the city council and they set local laws....

Sometimes you get an unfair fine and have to go to the court if you want to avoid it, which could be very time consuming and expensier than the fine.

It's very complex and veeeeeery anoying.
 
Again this raises the issue "What is parking and what is considered camping". There is as yet no definitive answer. Camping off site in the UK is not an offence, but permitting camping without a site licence is, so the fine that could result goes to the land owner, not the camper (Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960). This is a matter dealt with by the Local Planning Authority not the Police. It is generally accepted but not by all authorities, that parking is where only the tyres are in contact with the surface. Putting anything out, under or around the parked vehicle constitutes camping. The Highways Act also prohibits encampments on the highway. This includes laybys and roadside verges. Enforcement is variable within the UK. Raising the roof of a parked vehicle would not extend the perimeter of the vehicle and the question then is, can the vehicle still be driven with the roof elevated. If this raises the height over 3m then there is a requirement to have a notice easily visible to the driver stating the height. In car parks a fine can be given for occupying a parked vehicle, in some (most) cooking, eating and sleeping (some call this camping) in a vehicle is prohibited. The fact that a place is listed on the POI file does not have any bearing on its legality. I hope this answers your question estresao

For other members Camping Translated.jpg Parking (Translation).jpg

In Spain it is permitted to raise a roof light for ventilation, but not open a side window that would project beyond the perimeter of the vehicle. Diagrams I have seen demonstrating this, also showed a flip roof open as OK. However I was told by a Guardia Officer last winter that using an elevating roof mounted satellite dish was considered to be camping.

In the majority of Spain it is illegal to use a motorhome, other than as a vehicle off a site. Enforcement is variable. This has been confirmed to me by the ex- president of PACA.

Dear John,
many thanks for making me an inquiry. Unfortunately in Spain laws are not like you the perceived. In fact, the laws of the road apply only to movement and parking of an empty caravan, as a vehicle. But using a motorhome as accommodation is considered under the laws governing same camping. These laws are different in the 17 autonomous communities of Spain who have independence to enact these laws.

There are also laws that prohibit using a motorhome as accommodation in the area from the coast by a law regulating the use of a dividing strip on the coast. Mainly in Spain prohibition is to spend the night outside a camping protecting the interests of businessmen of camping. In fact, except in the Basque Country and Navarre, spend the night in a motorhome is not legal. But these rules only apply in some locations, in most of the Spanish territory is allowed to stay overnight in a motorhome, but not because it is a right protected by law. The risk of being denounced and punished economically there, especially on the coast.

The application of laws on camping is used strictly in Asturias, Cantabria and some towns of the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. The municipal areas for motorhomes are exceptions. Instruction 08 / V-74 has no application absolutely in the use of motorhomes as accommodation, only applies to parking under the laws of the road. This is possible in Spain for independence in the regions to make laws on issues such as camping.

Europe

I know, there have been a couple of appeals to the Chamber in the European Union in Brussels about the unification of criteria among member countries on the use of motorhomes as accommodation. The response has been that it is a domestic issue that should regulate each country.

I feel have seemed pessimistic because the legal answer is negative in Spain especially for Spanish campers although enforcement of the laws on camping is not very strict, however, every year a few hundred penalties which will occur up to 400,00 €.

Sincerely, Arsenio Gutiérrez
 
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If an umbrella pops up and its not raining is it illegal as my catch is faulty, I know parasol is legal.:dance:

Sorry I found the op question very funny till he explained the spanish law.

Me too !

Is our new friend from Barcelona, by any chance ?:confused:
 
I have a Romahome HyLo with elevating roof and always wild-camp. Normally I park/camp arriving at my spot late (ie after dark) then leave by dawn so my elevated roof is unlikely to be spotted except by the most zealous. I've never encountered any problems in any location I've parked in, throughout the UK.
 
Fisrt time I did stopovdr with my Cali, and it happens in UK, north Norfolk are, sooooooo happy, no problems at all and very usefull wildcamping POIs (despite I arrived to one of then with a sign of "No camp, no motorhome", or some similar thing).

Didn't rise my top roof because the wind, but I think some places are OK to do.... common sense should be applied.
 

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