Is it legal to park on the roadside?

it gets a very difficult area to comment about. as it stands now .
we cant stop where we want even on our own land. we can and do stop for a short time and get away with it . possibly for years if you are lucky.

on another topic many motor homers visit spain /portugal and create large upto 400 van travel sites .yet moan at the locals for getting the police to move them. i see and visit these area,s they arent much better than the travel sites in uk. there is thousands and thousands wondering about in winter down there .yet they come back here and complain of someone doing the same as them down the road.
keep moving is the best way .its very hard on the homeless living in vans. as we need addresses for driving lic...log books ...insurance ...etc glad i have a place to call home and be a base . every where seems to be struggling to cope its not just here. cheers alan,
 
take the oportunity if you can

I would move on.We are full timers at the moment. We try not to stay more than a few days if the place is very remote and quiet. Or only one night if busy. Depends if you are in a position to cruise around as we are.
I suspect a local has noticed you are the all the time and is now concerned you are taking up residence. The problem is if you stay permenantly it makes it harder for other to use that area once in a while.
I wish you luck. What area are you in.
 
vwalan said:
it gets a very difficult area to comment about. as it stands now .
we cant stop where we want even on our own land. we can and do stop for a short time and get away with it . possibly for years if you are lucky.

on another topic many motor homers visit spain /portugal and create large upto 400 van travel sites .yet moan at the locals for getting the police to move them. i see and visit these area,s they arent much better than the travel sites in uk. there is thousands and thousands wondering about in winter down there .yet they come back here and complain of someone doing the same as them down the road.
keep moving is the best way .its very hard on the homeless living in vans. as we need addresses for driving lic...log books ...insurance ...etc glad i have a place to call home and be a base . every where seems to be struggling to cope its not just here. cheers alan,
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As you say its difficult to comment but there are big differences between a couple in a motorhome touring in a country and 100+ people building what is in effect a new village in a green belt without any proper sewage or waste facilities and often in an area where a local land owner would be declined permission to build a new barn without going through hoops.

When I bought my house I did a search to see what building was going to happen around me, none is allowed the view of the fields I have bought is secure and therefore the value of that view is also secure, I'd be somewhat annoyed if a bunch of travellors setup a new village in the field behind me, but it seems its their human right to be able to do that regardless of my rights :(

The human rights convention needs an overhaul as its being misued time and time again. IMHO anyway :)
 
hi, some of the tourists abroad in winter set up for 6months and dont want to move .its hard you cant officially live in your camper in your drive .as some do when letting their rooms etc.
it is a council .s responsibility to house the homeless so if you are homeless visit your local council and ask . dont tell them where you park as they might move you on ,
even campsites cant let you stay on them full time .it as got silly.
cheers alan.
 
muffin said:
I would move on.We are full timers at the moment. We try not to stay more than a few days if the place is very remote and quiet. Or only one night if busy. Depends if you are in a position to cruise around as we are.
I suspect a local has noticed you are the all the time and is now concerned you are taking up residence. The problem is if you stay permenantly it makes it harder for other to use that area once in a while.
I wish you luck. What area are you in.
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hiya muffin you get about the ridgeway, the barge inn? i used to pop into devizes for supplies when i was livin' up ridgeway!
 
biggirafe said:
As you say its difficult to comment but there are big differences between a couple in a motorhome touring in a country and 100+ people building what is in effect a new village in a green belt without any proper sewage or waste facilities and often in an area where a local land owner would be declined permission to build a new barn without going through hoops.

When I bought my house I did a search to see what building was going to happen around me, none is allowed the view of the fields I have bought is secure and therefore the value of that view is also secure, I'd be somewhat annoyed if a bunch of travellors setup a new village in the field behind me, but it seems its their human right to be able to do that regardless of my rights :(

The human rights convention needs an overhaul as its being misued time and time again. IMHO anyway :)
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Travellers sites have always been a contention.

The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 stopped the casual use of land as a campsite. Local Authorities were given a duty at that time to provide sites for travellers. This went against the grain and many set up sites for caravans in their area but filled them up with tourist vans. They had complied with the letter but not the spirit of their obligations.

The fight for sites went on and proper sites for travellers were built where they could live and they had areas for work as well. These were few and far between and were quickly filled up.

The local authorities are now required to build enough places for the travelling community in their area. This is difficult to assess with a mobile community, so they build a few sites and try to move others on. This led to the Human Rights Legislation and the Judgement that they HAD to provide enough facilities.

Some areas still have inadequate facilities and resist attempts to provide them. When the travellers buy land themselves and try to get planning permission they are refused. This has now resulted in the buy and build then fight it attitude.

I am at present just along the road from our local travellers site at Greencroft established in the 1970s after the councils were brow-beaten to provide facilities dedicated to travellers as they had built touring sites at Allensford, and Tanfield but would not let travellers use them and they were closed during the winter months.

A traditional stopping point along the road from the Greencroft site had been repeatedly cleared. The travellers then used the site of a demolished street to set up a temporary site until they got onto the proper site. There are still not enough sites and I note that the old street site is again in use last week and the travellers have not been moved on.

I knew one guy that really annoyed the council as they could not move his Vardo on as he was camped on land owned by the local farmer with his permission but looked like it was part of the verge. This road was a traditional Drove Road with very wide verges where a number of vans could camp and not cause any problems.

When I was a student I lived in my caravan on a CL. Next to the site was a lay-by on the A6 in Bedfordshire used by travellers regularly for short periods. 99% left the place as clean or cleaner than it was before they moved on.

My great grandfather used to over winter the Irish Tinker travellers on land he rented at Black Fell at Birtley circa 1870 to 1900s. As a result I have had a keen interest in these issues all of my life and must have the travelling genes in me somewhere as I am now Full Timing and enjoying it.
 
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I sympathize with anybody who is forced to full time in a motorhome, anybody who does it by choice then it is up to them to act responsibly by not upsetting the locals where you park up (staying in one place permanently is not really wild camping)
I agree that travelling around Spain/Portugal there are areas where people are no better than the travelers/gypsies we complain about if they take over some waste ground or car park near by to where we live. The only difference is the state of the place after the gypsies have left :eek:

We like to wildcamp or stop at places where we are allowed such as the aires, we always follow any conditions if any such as max stay 48 hours. Very rarely we would stay longer than 3 days anywhere, if we do want to stop a week or more we go on a campsite.
We have noticed that there are a lot more vans now towing cars & parking for extended times (must be rich caravan owners)
 
Kontiki said:
I sympathize with anybody who is forced to full time in a motorhome, anybody who does it by choice then it is up to them to act responsibly by not upsetting the locals where you park up (staying in one place permanently is not really wild camping)
I agree that travelling around Spain/Portugal there are areas where people are no better than the travelers/gypsies we complain about if they take over some waste ground or car park near by to where we live. The only difference is the state of the place after the gypsies have left :eek:

We like to wildcamp or stop at places where we are allowed such as the aires, we always follow any conditions if any such as max stay 48 hours. Very rarely we would stay longer than 3 days anywhere, if we do want to stop a week or more we go on a campsite.
We have noticed that there are a lot more vans now towing cars & parking for extended times (must be rich caravan owners)
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When I was a student I lived in my caravan on a CL. Next to the site was a lay-by on the A6 in Bedfordshire used by travellers regularly for short periods. 99% left the place as clean or cleaner than it was before they moved on.

One big problem is still the forced eviction of travellers where they are not given time to clean up before moving on.

With the provision of skips and portaloos this gets around a lot of problems.
There are some people that make housing estates a tip if they are given a chance. Its not just travellers that cause places to be a mess.
 
Around the area where we live over the years there have been quite few illegal sites set up (one lasted for over 10 years :eek: John Redwood was to blame for not allowing them to be moved) all of them were left in a mess that we as ratepayers had to pay for. I accept that a very small minority of the travellers act responsibly most just don't give a toss.
 
easiest way is find a few places to stay ,dont stay in the same place more than a couple of nights we have found more than 20 places to stay within a 10 mile radius so we dont use one spot all the time we have been in our van now for a year and i must say enjoying it ,so enjoy if you like living in your van but keep on moving about so as not to annoy the locals. as a matter of fact lots of people have got to know us and have been rather friendly so the way to do it is keep the places you stay tidy we even pick up rubbish that we havent left and move about a bit
 
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illegal parking

I have to agree with the majority,it`s better to move on than upset the locals someone else might need that spot in an emergancy and invoke the rath that you began ! ! :(
 
Regarding "Travellers".
I used to sailboard on the lake in a local park and as a member of the local club had a key to the main gate. "Travellers" sent in a chap with a tidy looking car and caravan to rent a camping site, and of course he too got a key to the gate. As soon as the park was closed for the night, half a dozen scruffy caravans with a variety of tatty vans pulling them moved into the park, let in by their mate with his key. The day after there were half a dozen horses grazing in the park, ****ting everywhere and the travellers had already started collecting scrap and touting for business all round the area offering to tarmac drives etc. Within a week the number of cars broken into had gone through the roof and it was no longer safe to leave sailboarding gear by the lake, or in fact to leave anything without nailing it down.Lots of people were verbally abused by scruffy young kids and some not so young. It took months to shift them and even after they had gone the park workers had to bring in skips to clear the rubbish they had left, plant new trees to replace the ones that had been cut down/broken down and clear up all the ****e from the horses. The locks on the gate were changed and no-one was allowed to have a copy, even the boardclub that sailed there. Eventually because of the inconvenience the club packed in and moved else where, and lots of folk still won't go back to the park, all because of a crowd of shiftless travellers. How can the court of human rights support people like these in defiance of ordinary law abiding citizens???
 
and we thought having a camper makes you a traveller ?or do you not travel?
 
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it's threads like this to my mind than need deleting...what are some of you lot like eh...:confused:

fekling camping in the streets... ****....:mad:...
jeeeeezuzswept we'll be starting our own gypo sites next :eek:


regards :eek:
aj
 
Norris said:
Regarding "Travellers".
I used to sailboard on the lake in a local park and as a member of the local club had a key to the main gate. "Travellers" sent in a chap with a tidy looking car and caravan to rent a camping site, and of course he too got a key to the gate. As soon as the park was closed for the night, half a dozen scruffy caravans with a variety of tatty vans pulling them moved into the park, let in by their mate with his key. The day after there were half a dozen horses grazing in the park, ****ting everywhere and the travellers had already started collecting scrap and touting for business all round the area offering to tarmac drives etc. Within a week the number of cars broken into had gone through the roof and it was no longer safe to leave sailboarding gear by the lake, or in fact to leave anything without nailing it down.Lots of people were verbally abused by scruffy young kids and some not so young. It took months to shift them and even after they had gone the park workers had to bring in skips to clear the rubbish they had left, plant new trees to replace the ones that had been cut down/broken down and clear up all the ****e from the horses. The locks on the gate were changed and no-one was allowed to have a copy, even the boardclub that sailed there. Eventually because of the inconvenience the club packed in and moved else where, and lots of folk still won't go back to the park, all because of a crowd of shiftless travellers. How can the court of human rights support people like these in defiance of ordinary law abiding citizens???
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Norris. The Police had every power to take action against these individuals as was pointed out in Andy Cs post and the land owner could have had them removed for tresspass as they had committed criminal damage. Human rights have nothing to do with this type of behaviour. In anybodys book this behaviour is unacceptable. If the land owner pussyfooted about ( I presume it was a local authority) then they realised they were at fault by not providing anadequate number of sites in the area.
 
vwalan said:
and we thought having a camper makes you a traveller ?or do you not travel?
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Why would having a camper make me a traveller? Surely it implies that I am a camper, or is English a second language to you? Yes of course I travel, but that does not make me a traveller in the sense of these posts. Would you like to try and re-phrase your post?
 
John Thompson said:
Norris. The Police had every power to take action against these individuals as was pointed out in Andy Cs post and the land owner could have had them removed for tresspass as they had committed criminal damage. Human rights have nothing to do with this type of behaviour. In anybodys book this behaviour is unacceptable. If the land owner pussyfooted about ( I presume it was a local authority) then they realised they were at fault by not providing anadequate number of sites in the area.
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I don't know whether what you have said is correct or not, all I did was recount what happened and what the repercussions were. Why the "land owner could have had them removed for tresspass as they had committed criminal damage." I do not understand this. If they had not commited criminal damage does that mean that they could not have been removed for trespass? Are the two connected? Why do you presume that the local authority " realised they were at fault by not providing anadequate number of sites in the area." How do you know this? What is an adequate number of sites? By the way you write, I presume you have legal training and understand this sort of thing. Well I don't have the benefit of that sort of training, I am just an ordinary guy who was living quite happily till these mobile trash came along, made a mess and did a fade. All I know is that people like these are a nuisance, quite often dishonest and amoral, yet the bleeding hearts say "Oh they have a right to live in a traditional manner" How traditional is an untaxed transit van and a poorly tarmaced drive? They call themselves travellers? Good, let them keep travelling.
 
english is my first language ,i thought the idea of having a camper is to travel .being a traveller means some one who travels.ie travelling sales man.
would you like me to explain in french, arabic, cornish,spanish and could give a go in german. i dont mind . you sound like someone who isnt happy .
there are rules for us to live by and ways of stopping people camp on other people,s land. why should you have entry and not others ?why was the first person given a key?
 
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i think if they have untaxed transits the police would report them. as for your other remarks it would be interesting if you could back them up with facts. i travel alot and do not do the things you think happens. i do know i dont go alot on wind surfers when they come to the beaches round here and cut every body up. most seem to have no respect for anybody .
 
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